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I may have read another thread about taxing ammo, but could not find it right off. This one just came out today & talks about taxing as well as annual registration fees. Of course to have annual fees, everything must be registered. Then .... when you run out of money, they will confiscate them.

Lawmakers eye new taxes on guns, ammo in latest wave of legislation

By Judson Berger, Published March 11, 2013, FoxNews.com

If you can't ban 'em, tax 'em.

Lawmakers looking to more tightly regulate firearms in the wake of the Newtown school shooting and other massacres are moving at the state and federal levels to introduce new taxes on firearms and ammunition.

Read more: Lawmakers eye new taxes on guns, ammo in latest wave of legislation | Fox News
 

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When you spend money in the trillions they got to get more revenue. But unlike the story I doubt the money collected will go to where it was intended to go. Just punishes the law abiding citizens.
 

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I don't understand how it's going to do any good,to place a tax on ammo,except to give our greedy a-- govt something else to tax,ugh.
 

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When you spend money in the trillions they got to get more revenue. But unlike the story I doubt the money collected will go to where it was intended to go. Just punishes the law abiding citizens.
How about a $10 tax on each high falutin' coffee drink at Starbucks and all the Starbucks wannabe businesses across the USA?? All you guys can go back to cowboy coffee and let the Liberal retards pay the new tax??
 

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Why punish Starbucks, it's one business that has shown a very strong support for the 2A.:yup:
 
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Why punish Starbucks, it's one business that has shown a very strong support for the 2A.:yup:
Not arguing, just saying. Not necessarily strong support, they just don't object. Starbucks says "they obey state rules & regulations".
 

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From the article "At the state level in California, Democratic state Rep. Roger Dickinson last month introduced a bill to impose a 5-cent tax on every bullet.

"A limited tax on ammunition is a small price to pay for better mental health care for children in our state," he said in a recent statement. The revenue from the tax would go toward screening young people for mental illness.

I am glad, should I ectsatic, to see someone taking mental health seriously. But I thought Obamacare was supposed to take care of all these "health" issues. Isn't that why they elected him in the first place, was to take care of everything. /sarc off

If I thought for one minute that this money would go where it was supposed to go, I would be a lot less upset about this than I am. But, I know better. You know better. Everyone on this forum knows better. And if he were honest about it, Rep. Dickinson knows better.
 

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This taxing notion is an interesting twist...

After all, the Supremes allow the ACA (Obummercare) as a tax... So ammo taxes and firearms taxes might be legal... we already pay excise taxes on ammo and weapons as it is...

As we bend over already, MUST we GRAB OUR ANKLES, TOO?
 

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I'm so glad I did the right thing! My son's schools PTA was having a gun buy back... since it was for such a good cause I didn't even take the money.. I feel so warm inside!!
 

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I have almost zero doubt that any tax significantly beyond the normal sales tax would be found to be unconstitutional. SCOTUS has ruled that poll taxes are unconstitutional (Harper v Board of Elections, 1966) and that taxes on ink and paper are as well. "Minnesota's ink and paper tax violates the First Amendment not only because it singles out the press, but also because it targets a small group of newspapers. The effect of the $100,000 exemption is that only a handful of publishers in the State pay any tax at all, and even fewer pay any significant amount of tax. To recognize a power in the State not only to single out the press but also to tailor the tax so that it singles out a few members of the press presents such a potential for abuse that no interest suggested by Minnesota can justify the scheme." 460 US at 591-592.

The same principal that applies to the 1A applies to the 2A. If it is a protected fundamental right, the state may not create a punitive burden to the exercise of that right.

I remember reading an interview with Justice Breyer a few years ago who recalled that when he was a legislative assistant to Sen John Dansforth, he was astounded to see that the Senators did not give a hoot whether or not a piece of legislation they were considering was constitutional. Breyer recalled that Dansforth said some thing to the effect of "our job is to pass the thing, the job of the Supreme Court is to decide if its constitutional, let's do our job and let them do theirs"
 

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But unlike the story I doubt the money collected will go to where it was intended to go.
Of course it won't. The damn revenue for Social Security doesn't even stay within the system. If every dime paid in to SS were to stay there instead of be raided by the government as a type of piggy bank, there'd be no talk about SS failing in the coming decades.



Can't do a polling tax, so there is little chance that this can go through. Makes it that more unobtainable for the poor, and less likely that they can practice the right, which has already been deemed unconstitutional by SCOTUS.


Wish they'd stop saying "But cigarettes and alcohol!"... those aren't Constitutionally protected rights.
 

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Of course it won't. The damn revenue for Social Security doesn't even stay within the system. If every dime paid in to SS were to stay there instead of be raided by the government as a type of piggy bank, there'd be no talk about SS failing in the coming decades.



Can't do a polling tax, so there is little chance that this can go through. Makes it that more unobtainable for the poor, and less likely that they can practice the right, which has already been deemed unconstitutional by SCOTUS.


Wish they'd stop saying "But cigarettes and alcohol!"... those aren't Constitutionally protected rights.
Forget the cigarettes and alcohol... they already tax guns and ammo, and you and I pay those taxes... what makes you think they can't raise those taxes?
 

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Hey Congress and Mr. President, here's an idea:

Make any new laws and new taxes (pertaining to firearms and ammo) only apply to the law breakers and not the law abiding populace.
 

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Not arguing, just saying. Not necessarily strong support, they just don't object. Starbucks says "they obey state rules & regulations".
Should they state they defy state rules & regulations?
 

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Let's see, now..... Criminals....

1. Won't register Jack Squat - Check.

2. Won't pay taxes on illegally owned guns - Check.

3. Won't bother getting a license to carry concealed - Check.

Makes sense to me.

NOT.
 

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Should they state they defy state rules & regulations?
That isn't the point.

They have not come out as Pro 2A. They have not been anti-2A either. Starbucks says "they obey state rules & regulations", which is a way to sidestep the issue & not totally irritate either side. A good business practice if you want to stay on the fence.
 

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Forget the cigarettes and alcohol... they already tax guns and ammo, and you and I pay those taxes... what makes you think they can't raise those taxes?
Sales tax is an across the board tax, doesn't exclude or pick on one particular thing. We also tax the gas that people use to get to polling places, still not a poll tax.
 

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Sales tax is an across the board tax, doesn't exclude or pick on one particular thing. We also tax the gas that people use to get to polling places, still not a poll tax.
FAET Firearms and Ammunition Excise Tax. Already exists... You are being taxed on guns and ammo before you are taxed at the checkout... picks one particular thing firearms and ammunition...

II. BASIS OF TAX

A. Tax Rates. The tax rates are 10% of the sale price of pistols and revolvers; 11% of the sale price of firearms other than pistols and revolvers, shells and cartridges. See 26 USC Section 4181(a); 27 CFR Section 53.61(a).

B. Factors to Determine the Existence of FAET Liability.

Occurrence of act of manufacture or importation.
Identification of manufacturer or importer who performed such act.
Taxable article was manufactured or imported.
Taxable article sold or put to a taxable use.

C. Definition of Taxable Articles.

Firearm. Any portable weapon, such as rifles, carbines, machine guns, shotguns, or fowling pieces from which a shot, bullet or projectile may be discharged by an explosive. See 27 CFR 53.11.

(Note — Black powder firearms are taxable firearms).

Pistols. Any small projectile firearm which has a short one-hand stock or butt to an angle to the line of the bore and a short barrel or barrels, and which is designed, made, and intended to be aimed and fired from one hand. See 27 CFR Section 53.11.
Revolvers. Any small projectile firearm of the pistol type, having a breech-loading chambered cylinder so arranged that the cocking of the hammer or movement of the trigger rotates it and brings the next cartridge in line with the barrel for firing. See 27 CFR Section 53.11.
Shells and cartridges. Any article consisting of a projectile, explosive, primer, and container that is designed, assembled, and ready for use without further manufacture in firearms, pistols and revolvers. See 27 CFR Section 53.11.
 

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FAET Firearms and Ammunition Excise Tax. Already exists... You are being taxed on guns and ammo before you are taxed at the checkout... picks one particular thing firearms and ammunition...
And it's under Chapter 32, which also taxes other things such as tires, gas, coal, bows and arrows, fishing gear, medical equipment etc etc. They don't pick out one particular thing, but group all of them together.
 
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