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If you were asked by a school for recomendations for arming teachers...

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I would recommend either..

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Kel-Tec 2000 mk II or

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S&W FPC.

Just add optic and a high speed round that fragments in walls (less over penetration.)

I base this on the fact most teachers will not get into a rigorous practice regime and thus a small very light rifle with low recoil and good power. 9mm from 16 inch barrels reaches 1500 fps... i.e. .357 magnum.

What do you guys think they should be armed with?
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I would recommend either..

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Kel-Tec 2000 mk II or

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S&W FPC.

Just add optic and a high speed round that fragments in walls (less over penetration.)

I base this on the fact most teachers will not get into a rigorous practice regime and thus a small very light rifle with low recoil and good power. 9mm from 16 inch barrels reaches 1500 fps... i.e. .357 magnum.

What do you guys think they should be armed with?
Something they can carry concealed on their persons.

Ohio armed staff are required to take eight hours refresher training and requal each year in addition to the 29-56 hours of minimum training they have already undergone. The ones I know practice regularly.
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I'd suggest a full-sized Kahr 9mm. Compact and simple...just stroke the trigger. Nothing to fumble with or make a mistake with.
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Semi auto 9mm pistols with mandatory training every quarter.
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one area school purchased the kel-tec and have them in various places under lock and key.....

one school allows any teacher to cc at school.....as long as they have a Texas carry license.

not sure on the third public school.....i know that this year some of the teachers are allowed to carry but do not know any specifics.

given the choice of the two carbines.......i would say no to both and go with the Ruger pc carbine.....standard flavor....maybe with a RD sight.....and a bunch of training....
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The only viable option, that will be carried often, is a pistol of one's choosing. It should be concealed because the goal is to maintain the element of surprise. Which basically rules out long guns.

There are other issues with long guns that make them less than ideal choices. For responding officers who have them in their vehicles is one thing, but the on-site logistics get really messy in a hurry. It's a bad in practice option. At least with how most places have implemented it.

I work in a school district, and if I could carry I would have many options. I'd start with my 4" M2.0 Compact and consider the larger full sized guns. I'm actually equally accurate with the Compact as my 5" full sized sister gun. Then again I'm not exactly having issues with the 10MM either. I could bring in the revolvers too. Hot .357 loads would be good.
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I probably have the wrong outlook on it all, but personally, considering what I can remember of our drills back then, if they still do the same, as soon as it shuts down, each classroom is isolated, so commonality really doesn't count between all of the administration/teachers etc. So with that in mind, I'd say rather than buying something for them to carry, establish a set of parameters for everyone to work within, and give them the budget to purchase their own, with the prerequisite that they demonstrate proficiency with it before they start carrying it.
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Whatever pistol a teacher is willing to carry concealed on their person. Rifles in a closet for that just in case is a catastrophe waiting to happen.
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"Kept under lock and key" --- and most probably will remain that way no matter how long a terrorist keeps shooting teachers and kids. Unless: There is one in a locked cabinet in every single classroom, with the key around the teacher's neck. And one in the auditorium -- And one in the gym - but who would have the key?

---That is how I see it. 👵
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"Come on with your puny AR!"
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"Kept under lock and key" --- and most probably will remain that way no matter how long a terrorist keeps shooting teachers and kids. Unless: There is one in a locked cabinet in every single classroom, with the key around the teacher's neck. And one in the auditorium -- And one in the gym - but who would have the key?

---That is how I see it. 👵
I view locked-away guns about the same as more restrictive gun laws--feel good, we gotta do something theater that accomplishes nothing, or worse.
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Hmm...... yeah, I'd arm them with something that they can carry, conceal and protect from some student grabbing from them.

And ...... training? First, with rigorous training, mandatory, and renewed often. Teachers can't carry without it. Second, start with teachers that are already permit holders or a veteran with extensive service. Our local high school has two West Point grad's teaching, one was an infantry guy and the other was a war planner. Let those guys vet who gets one and how their local security plan is implemented. I'd trust either of them before I'd trust some school board or district administrator to decide how this gets implemented.
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I dont think that arming teachers as the pinnacle of a plan is the answer but (if) they are to be armed, it should be something they can keep on their person at all times. The sub2000 is certainly not my idea of a practical weapon for security/protection type work.
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I would recommend either..

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Kel-Tec 2000 mk II or

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S&W FPC.

Just add optic and a high speed round that fragments in walls (less over penetration.)

I base this on the fact most teachers will not get into a rigorous practice regime and thus a small very light rifle with low recoil and good power. 9mm from 16 inch barrels reaches 1500 fps... i.e. .357 magnum.

What do you guys think they should be armed with?

NOT concealable = Slow to access. What good is a firearm, when possible "seconds count"?

G17 OR G19 with "big dot sight's"*. Mandatory quarterly training/review, AS @Rabbit212 mention.

*for those wishing, suitable revolver substitute. .38 spcl. minimum, WITH proof of proficiency.
If teachers are armed, they need thorough, mandatory firearms training. In addition to firearms training, they should have some combat medical or Stop the Bleed training and CPR.

Hardware wise, I think each teacher should be able to choose their own gun within certain parameters. While I like both revolvers and semi-autos for personal self defense, I think semi-autos should be required for their increased capacity and reloading speed. Any calibers (9mm, .40, 10mm, .357 Sig, .45, or 5.7 x 28) as long as they are proficient and can handle the recoil. A minimum number of rounds should be carried.
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The teachers are there to teach, not walk around with a rifle slung over their shoulder. Give them mandatory training, and allow them to carry in a manner where the gun is concealed as to not be a distraction.

Regardless of whether they have a gun or not, all teachers (and as a public employee myself) and all public employees who are around the public or interact with the public, should be trained for basic first aid and stop the bleed care. The amount of city/county/state employees that are out driving around in the course of their duties, like the dudes who are fixing the plumbing in the streets, paving the roads, inspecting the restaurants, etc are huge. Even forgetting about active shooter situations, I've rolled up on everything from car accidents, people passed out on the sidewalk due to medical issues, people overdosing, etc and would love more training and equipment to help.
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I have known lots of teachers, including several close relatives. I wouldn't trust any of them with a Swiss Army knife.

My recommendation has always been to recruit retired cops and military veterans, organized as a volunteer force, each participant agreeing to perform two half-day shifts per week. Preliminary background checks, orientation training including refresher training in use of force, and semi-annual qualifications with the handgun of personal choice.

Two officers assigned per shift, one covering main entry and one patrolling perimeter, changing off each hour or so. As little interaction with administration and teachers as possible, they will be there without questioning or complaints. Plain clothes, maybe a distinctive vest as a means of identification and cover garment for the hardware (avoid giving liberal arts majors a case of the vapors).

Volunteers, no wages or direct compensation, but the school district covers each officer's monthly health insurance (no, that is not free in most cases) and provides liability insurance and workers compensation coverage.

Many folks would be surprised how many of us old grampas and grandmas would step up to protect everyone's children.

We have hundreds of thousands of fully trained and qualified retirees who would gladly step up to do the right thing.

Potential school shooters would quickly learn that their intentions will require that they face more than children and staff, maybe walking right into a couple of folks who have been there and done that many times before.
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My recommendation would be that they don't arm teachers. Teaching is an entirely different orientation and skill set than being an armed defender. And arming teachers would produce a false sense of security. There are more important things to be done to keep schools safe. First, the physical hardness of school buildings needs to be improved, big time. Second, there should be a very well trained cadre of RSO's who will really do the job when the time comes. Finally, we need LE to do a much better job of tracking potential threats.
The same mandatory training, qualification, re-qualification that our state law enforcement officer are required to undergo. Then we can discuss guns. JMHO I would rather see a teacher armed with a Ruger MKII that they are comfortable with and can hit with than making them conform to my standards of what I think they should use. (yes, I know .22lr Bla, Bla-Bla,) It is not like they are invading the Asian land mass, or "clearing the bld." They should be hunkered down with whatever students they can get a hold of and defending that bit of ground. Let the professionals clear the building and go into harm's way. Lastly, I don't think any teacher should be required to be armed.
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