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Would you use your gun in defense of others?

  • My gun is used only for me and family

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  • I would defend a 3rd party if it was lawful

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  • I would only defend a 3rd party if they were a child

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Using the "reasonable person" logic, are you willing to use your CCW or OC weapon in defense of others if you are watching a crime happen or unfold that would justify the use of a gun.

I don't want to hear you opinion on how foolish you think someone elses stand is, you can say why you would do what you would, but DON'T degrade others opinions on their course of action.

I would like to know what % of the forum members here would do what, so vote in the pole that comes closest to your beliefs.

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First, what poll?
Second, yes with out a doubt. One reason I carry. Before I joined this site my family and friends called me a sheepdog. I take it upon myself to think about what might happen to me or someone else including a perfect stranger that maybe they didnt think about. Like some helpless guy getting the crap beat out of him by 300lb linebacker trying to rob him. You bet I would defend him. I believe that is why I was put on this planet, to help those who need help.
 

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Need a poll for this question. My answer is unequivocally yes. I would do it because I'm a proactive member of society who believes that wrongs that are witnessed shouldn't go without justice. My aim is not to kill but to stop the threat, and if that person is simply wounded but is still brought to justice, then my duties were fulfilled. I've stopped at accidents and even dragged a lady from her car. I didn't do it because I had to; I did it because she needed my help, and I was there to extend to her as much help as I could, within my capacity and knowledge.
 

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I will vote when the poll comes up but for now I will say under the right circumstances I would use what I need to help a stranger.
By that I mean knowing enough about what is going on to know with certainty, I am justified in doing so.
 

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In defense of others really could have so many variables that there cannot any tried and true answer, it would have to depend on the situation and the parties involved. Personally I would not know if I would get involved unless I could be assured that deadly force is the only course of action.
 

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Adults have the same rights to defend themselves as I do and have the same responsibilities as well as the same capacity to understand as I do. It is their own fault they are unprepared. I have me and my own to look after and that sometimes means not getting involved.

However, we (individually and as a society) put different restrictions on children. They are too young to understand, comprehend, fight or possess the means of self-defense.

I would be willing to defend a child if at all possible.
 

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In defense of others really could have so many variables that there cannot any tried and true answer, it would have to depend on the situation and the parties involved. Personally I would not know if I would get involved unless I could be assured that deadly force is the only course of action.
That is why I put the "reasonable person" line in the question. It would imply some thought process would happen before you pulled your gun. I understand some would never under any condition, and some will under certain conditions, just trying to get a idea of what the masses think.

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Not if i did not know the circumstances totally. Example, driving down the road, see a guy pointing a gun at another, both look like scum, are you going to get involved? You need to know the players. In my little example, what if the guy with the gun was a plain clothes police officer and you just got involved?

For me, it is for my family, and those very close to me. IF I know the circumstances, I may get involved more than being a witness.

One way of protecting myself and my family, not getting into legal trouble because I made a mistake.
 

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If it were the 1950's or maybe the 60's but now I prefer to just use
deadly force to protect me or my family. There are too many legal issues
with being a good citizen these days. People are lawsuit happy and it may
seem VERY harsh but I cant afford to get involved in a legal issue that could
cost me my financial freedom or career.

Not ruling it out 100% but I highly doubt I will come to the aid of a stranger,sorry.
 

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Adults have the same rights to defend themselves as I do and have the same responsibilities as well as the same capacity to understand as I do. It is their own fault they are unprepared. I have me and my own to look after and that sometimes means not getting involved.

However, we (individually and as a society) put different restrictions on children. They are too young to understand, comprehend, fight or possess the means of self-defense.

I would be willing to defend a child if at all possible.
I was waiting for this-----Not all adults have the right to defend themselves, some may have in a prior time of their life made 1 poor choice and now have a felony conviction that does not allow them to own a gun, so they may no longer have the option to defend themselves.


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Without a doubt in my mind i would use lethal force to help a fellow man. We are for the most part civilized human beings and should look after each other as best we can. To say that i would only protect my own family is merely selfish in nature.
 

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Naturally... it depends.

There are times when I would instinctively and immediately defend a stranger and others where I would not get involved. Guess I'll just have to wait and see which is which! :wink:
 

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Only a coward watches a helpless victim suffer.
 

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I was waiting for this-----Not all adults have the right to defend themselves, some may have in a prior time of their life made 1 poor choice and now have a felony conviction that does not allow them to own a gun, so they may no longer have the option to defend themselves.


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Then it's their own fault for doing something criminally that bars them from having the same rights to carry as me.

However, they still have the same rights to defend themselves no matter what they've done. They can still do hand-to-hand defense and execute the same caution and awareness that I do. There's nothing that says they have to stand there and take it just because they once committed an offense that bars them from carrying a defensive tool.

I also have no idea if the adult in the confrontation has it coming to them or not. I'd hate to "rescue" someone only to find out he was getting beat up for raping some guy's sister.

Yes, while children can also be little pills and are certainly capable or wrong, if I see someone beating on a ten year old kid or dragging a 12 year old girl down the street by her hair, or worse, I think it's a safer bet that he or she didn't do anything too horrible to warrant such treatment.

As I said, we hold children to a different standard by limiting them in their defensive means. That and.. they are children.. they can't always fight for themselves.
 

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However, they still have the same rights to defend themselves no matter what they've done. They can still do hand-to-hand defense and execute the same caution and awareness that I do. There's nothing that says they have to stand there and take it just because they once committed an offense that bars them from carrying a defensive tool.
Also, if it was just a one time, dumb act, they've done their time and paid for their crimes then they can go through the process of getting their rights restored.

Again, they are adults, it's up to them to take the initiative. Why should I risk my life and a future life with my family.. the happiness of my husband and son.. because someone didn't take the initiative to defend themselves?

Like I said before, if it was also someone who had it coming and I lost my life defending them, how exactly is my husband supposed to explain to his son that his Mommy isn't around anymore because she defended someone who was really a bad guy?

Nope.. not a risk I'm remotely willing to take.

I will certainly call the authorities and be a good witness... in some situations I MAY lay down a cloud of pepper spray on everyone involved but I would be EXTREMELY EXTREMELY hesitant to use my firearm in intervene on behalf of battling adults who are strangers to me.
 

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I dont think calling someone a coward is cool. If I make the choice NOT to carry a firearm to protect my life, thats my choice. I cant hold ANYONE liable for protecting me. I would love to help people but I do not have to do so. Its each persons choice. I wont call anyone a name for helping/not helping a "victim". Its all opinion. No person is right/wrong on the issue. Just throwing that out there.
 

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Then it's their own fault for doing something criminally that bars them from having the same rights to carry as me.

However, they still have the same rights to defend themselves no matter what they've done. They can still do hand-to-hand defense and execute the same caution and awareness that I do. There's nothing that says they have to stand there and take it just because they once committed an offense that bars them from carrying a defensive tool.

I also have no idea if the adult in the confrontation has it coming to them or not. I'd hate to "rescue" someone only to find out he was getting beat up for raping some guy's sister.

Yes, while children can also be little pills and are certainly capable or wrong, if I see someone beating on a ten year old kid or dragging a 12 year old girl down the street by her hair, or worse, I think it's a safer bet that he or she didn't do anything too horrible to warrant such treatment.

As I said, we hold children to a different standard by limiting them in their defensive means. That and.. they are children.. they can't always fight for themselves.
Limatunes, I highly respect your degree of knowledge and ideas, but this one i have to disagree with you on. It is not our duty to judge, but it is our duty as human beings to help others in distress to the best of our ability. We dont know what people have been convicted of or whether they are totally innocent by just looking at them or over-hearing an arguement. I would be very discouraged if i was being attacked and you did nothing to help but stand there and call LE, especially if you had the means to help such as OC or firearm. We have to try and turn around the selfish ideals that society has mutated into to a way of looking out for one another.
 

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Only a coward watches a helpless victim suffer.
How do you know who's helpless and who is the victim? How do you know the person "in need" really isn't the bad guy on the receiving end of self-defense? How do you know whether or not you're walking into a beef between two very bad people?

I'm sorry to say that not even the presence of a uniform depicts who's good and who's bad these days. Certainly, it's a safer bet that the uniformed guy on the street getting the skin kicked off him is the good guy rather than the other choices but it's still no guarantee.

And what if you are standing there with your child in your arms? What do you do? Tell the next person passing by to watch your kid while you go to some strangers aide? What about your own responsibility to your family? What about the safety of your child? If something should happen to you are you going to trust this random stranger to not abandon your child? What then?

I think you need to consider what you've said very carefully.

A brave man who rushes head-long into an unknown situation may save the day, but they may also leave a family behind to suffer for it.

A wise man picks his battles and comes home at the end of the day to a grateful family.
 

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Only a coward watches a helpless victim suffer.
It's name calling and posts like this that the OP did not want this thread to denigrate to.

It has nothing to do with cowardice, it's a choice all are free to make and live with. Although I would help, I do not criticize others for opting not to.

We are all free to make that decision for our own reasons and without ridicule.

Lima has presented a good reason, if I had children maybe I would be more hesitant to help. But my nature has always been to help those in trouble.
 
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