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I always hear people post about not saying anything about their tactics, saying what guns they have, etc. Who the heck is going to know who "Thumper" (or anyone else for that matter) is? Just don't be stupid and use a real name. Do you really think some DA is going to come to this obscure site and scour EVERY post for something similar to a situation that "went down"?

You really think he's going to be able to get a warrant for an IP address with NO name, motive or proof?
This is straying off topic. Let's not take this any further in this thread.
 
This is straying off topic. Let's not take this any further in this thread.
Okay, but have you ever heard of any evidence from a gun forum that resulted in a prosecution? I'm not talking about the bangers and other losers on MySpace and those other sites where they post pictures, videos and actually brag about crimes they've committed. Even the infamous internet "Gunkid"...all his postings over at Glocktalk didn't even bring him down. His ex-wife did. :hand10:
 
I keep my gun on my hip or on my back. I always have a round in the chamber, and 6 more in the clip. I always assume they'll want my wallet or keys. I'd stay calm, say i'm getting my wallet pull out my Glock quickly, shoot immediately before he could respond, then disarm him.
 
I keep my gun on my hip or on my back. I always have a round in the chamber, and 6 more in the clip. I always assume they'll want my wallet or keys. I'd stay calm, say i'm getting my wallet pull out my Glock quickly, shoot immediately before he could respond, then disarm him.
G36? If so, darned good pistol! :hand10:
 
Yup, I saw a real nice, almost new one at the gun store. The guy told me a state trooper had it before me and only put two clips thru it. I only paid $575 for it. I couldn't pass that up :blink:

I love it. I used to carry a 9mm EAA Witness, and its ok in the winter time when I have a lot of clothes on, but in the summer when its harder to conceal I wanted to get something new.
 
Yup, I saw a real nice, almost new one at the gun store. The guy told me a state trooper had it before me and only put two clips thru it. I only paid $575 for it. I couldn't pass that up :blink:

I love it. I used to carry a 9mm EAA Witness, and its ok in the winter time when I have a lot of clothes on, but in the summer when its harder to conceal I wanted to get something new.

How's the reliability? I've heard the G36 can be finicky with some types of ammo.
 
How's the reliability? I've heard the G36 can be finicky with some types of ammo.
To be honest I haven't shot it enough to really be able to tell. I went to the range with 200 rounds of some 230 grain rounds. It fired beautifully, and it didn't jam once. It has low to moderate recoil and it didn’t kick like I expected it to. I've only had it for a few months so I really haven't established 100% reliability with it yet. From what I can tell, and have heard it is a sound gun.
 
Okay, but have you ever heard of any evidence from a gun forum that resulted in a prosecution?
No, I personally, have not. But like I said, this topic is irrelevant to this thread.

If you feel this subject merits discussion, then start a new thread.
 
To be honest I haven't shot it enough to really be able to tell. I went to the range with 200 rounds of some 230 grain rounds. It fired beautifully, and it didn't jam once. It has low to moderate recoil and it didn’t kick like I expected it to. I've only had it for a few months so I really haven't established 100% reliability with it yet. From what I can tell, and have heard it is a sound gun.
Sounds good. Is it really that much thinner than the standard Glock thickness? I'm wondering how it would compare in size to a Kahr PM9. If it's not too much bigger, it would be great to replace a payload of 6+1 9mm with 6+1 .45. :hand10:

I know I could look up the dimensions, but it's always hard to tell without a subjective opinion. I wonder if anyone here has the PM9 and G36 and would post some pictures or links of side-by-side shots.
 
This story made my blood run cold...icy cold. Especially in light of the fact that a police officer murdered last night in the county just to the north. He was following a "suspicious" vehicle into the parking lot of an all night Publix grocery store. The car had barely stopped (shown by the store surveillance cameras) before a man leaped from the car already firing a handgun. At least 10 rds were fired. The man kept advancing as he fired. At least five rounds hit the officer who never had a chance to draw or call for help. The last shot that struck him was fired from a range of four feet.

The liklihood that we as civilians will face such a near ambush situation are extremely remote. The cop was doing his job by literally looking for trouble so we citizens won't stumble into a similar problem with these same wolves.

Still, according to the OP, the men ran at his friend with a gun already drawn. I'm already shaking as I contemplate my possible actions.

I submit that any time a stranger rushes at you in a darkened parking lot where there are other potential sources of "help" (should he claim to be seeking help instead of having evil intentions if he makes it to trial) can and should automatically be treated as hostile. In this case, I'm thinking proximity is my friend. The critical issue is whether I'm fully out of the car or still transitioning when a firearm is presented. If the BG is close enough to touch and I'm still in transition with part of my lower body still in the car, maybe I grab my chest and fake a heart attack. It's kinda obvious from the grey in my goatee that I'm no spring chicken. As I hit the ground I begin to "convulse" and roll so that I can safely draw. My only hope is that I'm in the dark and there is even darker shadow next to the car. Maybe they'll take off with the realization that if I have a heart attack while they're robbing me and they get caught and I die...it's felony murder for them both. But say they're not so streetwise.

As I said, in my way of thinking (comes from Aikido) proximity favors my situation. So I drop to the ground and they move to follow so they can lift my wallet, steal my keys and be gone. As they close I'm in the process of the draw. If they're close enough to lift my wallet and keys they're close enough for me to grab by the clothing...maybe to gasp MY HEART...HELP....ME.....as I shove my gun into his gut and pull the trigger several times. The muzzle blast alone is enough to avulse flesh (rip it open). Then I shove the closest hit target to the side and engage the next...putting one or more into his buddy. The big danger from shooting at literal contact is that flesh might foul the action and cause a jam.

Everything I am...all my training has ingrained in me the necessity of acting when confronted. I don't freeze. I don't hesitate. I've already made the crucial decisions of morality and law. It might be shown later that I could have made better decisions, but I'll stand or fall on my actions of the moment. That's just me. As was Patton's philosophy: A good plan executed with extreme violence right now is better than a perfect plan tomorrow. I'm at peace with that.
 
You never know if the BG is one who dosen't want to leave witnesses or not until its is to late. I think I would have my engine running and my hand on my gun especially if I had to park a ways out. I would leave the engine running until I had checked the area out.
 
I like the " gasp MY HEART...HELP....ME....." approach... I've thought about this tactic before, and even practiced a few times, "while no one was watching" of course!! :rofl:
 
I'm getting tired and didn't read all of the posts.

So yell at me if this was already mentioned, I deserve it. But I bet no one mentioned these tactics. NEVER just drive into a parking lot and park without looking around first. Drive around first and surveill the situation, looking for anyone suspicious. And never immediately get out of the car. Take another look around. Other tactics include always backing into a parking space so you can make a quick getaway. This tactic saved my car and maybe my life once. A (stupid) friend (actually just someone I knew from the crowd I hung around with) was parked in a lot in an area that had their share of gangs. I backed in next to him. All of a sudden a gang armed with chains (this was in the 70's) came out of nowhere. Also always leave your car running. I punched the gas of my big V8 and just made it out of danger. The other kid got his windows broken.
 
Where in Orlando lets you have that kind of space?

You never know if the BG is one who dosen't want to leave witnesses or not until its is to late. I think I would have my engine running and my hand on my gun especially if I had to park a ways out. I would leave the engine running until I had checked the area out.
My daughter used to manage a store in Millennium Mall (now she's managing a bigger store for the same firm here in Miami) and when I would visit, I could never find a parking space for my minivan that affords the tactical advantages of which you speak. 'Course the handling characteristics of my minivan are more similar to your average aircraft carrier....but the parking spaces leave a lot to be desired.

Do you think that if you've been specifically targeted for a robbery they're going to let you spot them until you're parked, engine off and you're transitioning to the pavement? Remember, the advantage is almost always on the side of the hunter....
 
well said exsoldier (your first post). "fortune favors the bold."

as for the OP, SA is key to leveraging that fortune.
 
No yells. Some giggling...

So yell at me if this was already mentioned, I deserve it. But I bet no one mentioned these tactics. NEVER just drive into a parking lot and park without looking around first. Drive around first and surveill the situation, looking for anyone suspicious. And never immediately get out of the car. Take another look around. Other tactics include always backing into a parking space so you can make a quick getaway. This tactic saved my car and maybe my life once.
In Miami FL finding a parking space at any major mall is like a post apocalyptic event: The Road Warrior. Sure I'll cruise the area....looking for a space big enough to handle my NIMITZ class minivan without too much manuevering. I will back into a spot if I can get the angles right. I'm pretty good on knowing the exact dimensions of my car and on relying on the side mirrors.

I'm always in Condition Yellow and I'm pretty good at spotting the movements that seem to mirror my own. Of course having taught in the inner city for the last 12 years, plus my time as a state Parole and Probation Officer I know predator behavior pretty well. If my spidey sense tingles I'll identify the reasons just as I always do.

Don't get me wrong: What you say makes excellent street sense for everybody. It's just that sometimes....life intrudes. That's why Condition Yellow exists.:image035:
 
My thoughts on it:

I would have already looked around at who might be in the vicinity to approach me, before I got out of my vehicle. And when I do exit my vehicle, I am constantly scanning the area and the people nearby. I would like to believe I would have been ready for them, and if I saw a gun and/or aggression, I would have been firing.
 
I agree you should always be in condition yellow nowadays.

I still frequently visit Tampa, and it's scary. Especially around USF. I grew up in a large, primarily minority, city, so I know to keep my eyes open at all times.
 
Interesting

I still frequently visit Tampa, and it's scary. Especially around USF. I grew up in a large, primarily minority, city, so I know to keep my eyes open at all times.
Funny how the really BAD GUYS seem to gravitate to college's. Danny Rolling, the infamous and now executed Gainesville spree killer? It's like their twisted instinct tells them that the sheep are there ready and waiting to be shorn or slaughtered.
 
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