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First of all, I don't OC, but have enjoyed attending several OC breakfasts here in MN. Mainly I find it fun to be among people who think like me, and to yak about holsters, pistols, carry methods, etc.

So, I'm with two friends at the last event. As we are gathering up to leave I offer to walk out and start up my buddy's van...it's nice to get into a vehicle that's warmed up!

It's Saturday morning in a downtown area and the van is parked on the street about 1/2 block from the entrance. As I start it up I see a tall fellow approaching a few people on the sidwalk--by their reactions I can tell he's asking for something and they are declining.

He walks to the door heading into the breakfast room. I chuckle to myself, thinking he's gonna be shocked when he sees about 70 people still remaining there all openly carrying.

He walks in and then reappears within a a short time, maybe 15 seconds or so. He spots me and like a laser is headed my way (no, he wasn't "invited" by any eye contact!).

I'm standing outside the van, drivers side, in the street. He leaves the sidewalk and angles right at me. Knowing he's coming anyway I now make eye contact at about 30 feet or so, undo the one button I had fastened on my leather coat and think through how I'll proceed should I need to draw.

At about 15-20 feet he makes some dramatic, almost theatrical, gestures. Greeting look on the face, right hand fully extended to shake mine and left hand partially extended holding this huge keyring (likely 20+ keys on it, almost "jailer" looking...heh).

"Hi, I'm Ervin and the wheel broke on my car, can you help me out? It's down there". He makes a very general gesture in some direction, not very specific as to where his car is. With his left hand he displays the huge keyring as if to prove he has a car. As he speaks I raise my left hand, extend a "stop" signal with my palm and non-verbally fend him off and send him on his way. His look is one of surprised disappointment and frustration with me, bordering on anger or expressing being offended, but he walks off.

He then angles behind the van, across the sidewalk and into the first row of a parking lot. There he approaches a friend of mine, taps on his drivers window, says something I can't hear, is obviously sent on his way and heads on down the street.

Pretty good actor, for I left wondering if he was indeed having some trouble and I wasn't being much of a Good Samaritan. But overall I felt I had done the cautious and right thing by immediatly rebuffing what I'll call his "buddy buddy" approach.

So yesterday I visit a local gun shop with a friend, the same fellow that was approached while in his car. I hadn't talked with him since then, so asked him what happened. He said the guy tapped on his window just as he was about to start his car, asking for directions...no talk of the "broken wheel"! My friend sent him on his way as he backed out of his parking spot.

The differing approaches confirmed that this guy was up to no good. Maybe not a robbery, but at a minimum looking for some "help" in the form of a little cash, a ride, whatever.

Not truly an OC encounter on my part, since my Beretta was covered by my coat. The OC part was when he entered the breakfast room...I'd love to have seen his reaction to all the openly displayed firepower in that room! Would have been an instant YouTube hit.

Lesson learned--always listen to my spidey sense!
 

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Interesting. The fact that he made you wonder if he was legit after your encounter shows just how well some of these people work their line(s) of BS.

Good instincts.
 

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Good thinking on your part. I rather come as a ____________ (fill the blank with whatever word you think the other guy may use) than being caught off guard.
 

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The wheel broke on his car? How do you break a wheel?
Certainly there were many places where this 'con artist' could have entered to use a PHONE.

You made Ervin exit early...excellent!:congrats:
 

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Where are these OC breakfasts? I'd be interested in attending.
 

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Good job!

I am a tire sales man, I see LOTS of crazy things happen to vehicles. Breaking a wheel would take extreme impact and i doubt he would have been asking for a ride more like an ambulance.

Glad to see you were smart and he left you alone.
 

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I think that you acted in the right way :congrats:
 

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Most beggars will start the encounter with general small talk or with something that will make you feel sorry for them (car's broke, out of gas, need directions, etc.) After they get you to let your guard down they start asking for money.

After being a truck driver for a few years and being in some of the biggest craphole truck stops in the country I've just about seen it all.
 

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Interesting. The "prop", in his case, the keys, must be one of their tricks -of-the-trade.

A long time ago, near LAX, my girlfriend and I were approached by a dude, a crackhead I'm guessing by his appearance and demeanor, looking for a couple bucks to fix his broken fan belt, which he was holding in one of his hands.

The fan belt looked like it had been run over a million times, and left bleaching in the sun for a few hot summers. I guess THAT'S why it broke, yeah. He only gave up on us after about 3 or 4, increasingly stern "Sorry, No's!"

We were on layover, and she wanted to go for a walk. I tried to convince her that this wasn't necessarily the best place in America to go for a stroll but she wouldn't budge, as Taiwanese in general tend to be very stubborn. (an endearing trait, most times)
I'd kill for a picture of the look on her face during or briefly after the encounter. We hadn't walked a half block down the street before we were approached. After he left all I could do was look at my girl, giving her the "see, I told you so" shrug.
Made for a great start to our relationship, though, as we've been married over 12 years and though I can't say she listens to me right away, I think she listens to me sooner because of it, har har.

Anyway, yeah, watch out for guys with "props". I think they fall into the "too much information" type of lie.
 

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Good job!

I am a tire sales man, I see LOTS of crazy things happen to vehicles. Breaking a wheel would take extreme impact and i doubt he would have been asking for a ride more like an ambulance.

Glad to see you were smart and he left you alone.
The wheel broke on his car? How do you break a wheel?
Certainly there were many places where this 'con artist' could have entered to use a PHONE.

You made Ervin exit early...excellent!:congrats:
Most beggars will start the encounter with general small talk or with something that will make you feel sorry for them (car's broke, out of gas, need directions, etc.) After they get you to let your guard down they start asking for money.

After being a truck driver for a few years and being in some of the biggest craphole truck stops in the country I've just about seen it all.

^^^YEP^^^TO^^^ALL^^^OF^^THESE^^^

Its sad that out of the people that he encounters,20,30-50??
someone will just get fed up with him and throw money at him, to get him out of their presence;; not thinking that once they get the wallet out it could become a robbery at any time. NO SA.


We live in an age when pizza gets to your home before the police.
 

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One thing I have learned in these situations is you can generally tell when someone is in need of real help. If your gut tells you something isn't right, then something isn't right. My gut feeling has never steered me wrong.
 

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I believe this breakfast was at the Effin Gopher Bar.. there's another thread about it in here somewhere.

-Damien
 

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Another good example of how being situationally aware gave you time to size the guy up and prepare how you were going to handle him once he got to you. Good job.
 

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I have run into some world class actors in parking lots. Some of these guys and gals would be wealthy beyond their wildest dreams if they actually tried to market those skills instead of using them to bilk people out of small change.

Always just politely say no and send them on their way.

On Jan 14th of 2009 I was approached by one of these clowns while pumping gas and it quickly turned into an attempted car jacking. One that ended very abruptly with the presentation of my Glock 23 in the face of the young idiot who decided he wanted to try to get into my Jeep while I was filling it up. He ran away as fast as his oversized and baggy pants would let him. Not fast enough to lose the police officer who was in the parking lot at the time though.
 
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