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I just left a show where Winchester was represented. I asked the rep what he thought was gong on with ammo. In short, here's what he said. Winchester is basically producing virtually 24 hours a day and has diverted all resources, including reloading components, to producing loaded ammo. The next part was a bit disconcerting. As many have guessed, he felt that the government ammo buy was not really what some have made it out to be in that the order is over a four to five year time period. The problem is that consumers are hoarding. More so, and I did not like to hear this, he said that if consumers did not buy another round, it will take up to fourteen months for the industry to recover supply equal to the levels before what I will call the ammo crash. I had some questions to clarify some of this, but due to the number of people there, I did not have the chance. Please don't shoot the messenger.
 

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Its good to hear someone talking about the real problem, rather than the government is buying everything hyperbole...Thanks for sharing.
 

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Sucks For us Handloaders. Hope the other manufacturers don't follow suit in that aspect.
 

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I just left a show where Winchester was represented. I asked the rep what he thought was gong on with ammo. In short, here's what he said. Winchester is basically producing virtually 24 hours a day and has diverted all resources, including reloading components, to producing loaded ammo. The next part was a bit disconcerting. As many have guessed, he felt that the government ammo buy was not really what some have made it out to be in that the order is over a four to five year time period. The problem is that consumers are hoarding. More so, and I did not like to hear this, he said that if consumers did not buy another round, it will take up to fourteen months for the industry to recover supply equal to the levels before what I will call the ammo crash. I had some questions to clarify some of this, but due to the number of people there, I did not have the chance. Please don't shoot the messenger.
I have had similar conversations with reps from many ammo manufactures saying the same thing. Still doesn't help our problem.
 

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If you look at every aspect of the firearms industry it smacks of hoarding, guns, ammo, magazines, sights, holsters, just about anything that relates to guns is in short supply. The anxiety of the American people is well founded with the political climate that we have. I don't see any change in the near future because the demand has not been satisfied.
 

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Its good to hear someone talking about the real problem, rather than the government is buying everything hyperbole...Thanks for sharing.
True. The traditional way such an over-demand would be solved would be by imports. Maybe that will help.
 

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True. The traditional way such an over-demand would be solved would be by imports. Maybe that will help.

I would expect to see some but imports seem to be as scarce as domestic.
Next will come limits or outright bans on imports, already in place for China IIRC.
 

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Sounds about right to me, that's what a lot of us have been thinking. I sincerly doubt it'll take 14 months, I've been seeing slow but steady improvents for the last few weeks. People are starting to not be so fearful, run out of money and/or calm down. Maybe it would take 14 months for just one company, but if they are all pumping ammo out, it'll be back around in another few months - that's my prediction atleast. I say early/mid summer things will be somewhat normal-ish again.
 

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The owner of a gun range,i'm a member of,is starting to get a little in.He told me,basically,the same thing,this past Friday.One,that he buys ammo from,says it will take at the min of a year,to get back close,to where they were,once upon a time.
 

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I talk to a lot of people during the normal course of business every day.
Most of the people that are stocking up on ammo have reached the point they are comfortable with their supply vs the cost per round.

People that don't have much are still trying to buy.

That leaves people like me that like to shoot in the lurch because even though I have cut way back on my shooting, I still feel I need to replace what I have shot.
 

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Thanks to the OP for some real insider info...the first time I'd heard that from a real ammo rep and that perspective. And for all of us buying...it's a moderation thing. But if we choose to hoard, it's our choice and right to exercise as Americans. But MJK...I respectfully disagree. We are not victims of Obama/anti-gunners. We make our own choices and in this case mainly due to fear. Fear of the unknown as to what the anti-gunners want to do/might do. But it is still my choice to buy or not to buy...hoard or not to hoard (whatever that may be for me or for you). No one makes me do this. Just my opinion. We can't blame this on Obama...I think we did it to ourselves (with a bit of help from the DHS and other govt agencies buy a "wee" bit o ammo).
 

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Place the blame where it's deserved: Obama and the anti-2A democrats.
How about Alex Jones claiming the government is buying more than ten times what it is? Does he share the blame?
 

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I feel I just gotta chime n here.
I very much DO blame Obama and any-other politician/bureaucrat that thinks that more laws r gonna make us safer.
Chicago & NYC r places that I wouldn't go to for any reason, just because of the crime rates.
AND to think that the crinamals r gonna b deterred by more gun laws is just Plain-Ole-Stupid.
BUT that fear of restrictions on any gun related issues R the reason for the recent ammo shortage.
No way around that Truth.
 

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You all know as well as I that precedents have proved that no rules or bans are going to fix anything. This is not a biased opinion (which I certainly have). This is an historic fact. And the antis know this as well. They struck at a very opportune time to further their agenda.

And we understandably freaked out and cleaned house. We cleaned up like never before.

Folks aren't going to hold off buying ammo. Or magazines at outrageous prices. C'mon guys, we still have der Riech Vier in Washington. We trust them as much as they trust us, which is not at all. No matter what happens in the next few months or years, we will not forget the attempt to geld us. Doesn't matter if there is some plan by the government to buy all the ammo so we won't have any, or (much more likely) we buy what we can every chance we get, and therefore don't allow supply to catch up.

When I get up at 5 AM on a given day to hit a few Walmarts on the way to work to try to get my ration on three boxes of 9mm or 45, I'd say it'll be awhile before this simmers.
 

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There are a number of factors involved in the current ammo shortage. It started with people buying before the presidential election last November, just like in '08, wondering if Obumnuts was going to get re-elected. When he was re-elected and firearms sales went up, even more ammo was sold and some hoarding probably started. After Newtown, everything just went crazy with astronomical gun and ammo sales and ammo hoarding. SO, both we and the current dorks in office are to blame. I honestly don't know who is more at fault for the current situation, Barry and Moochelle or all the new gun buyers/hoarders.
 

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Luckily for me I am able to "stop the madness" so to speak. My local shop has a good supply of .40 S&W for $20.99 per box (Blazers or PMC). I paid $17.99 for the same box before all this happened, I'll take the $4 markup as long as supply holds out. Walmart is usually a no go, and I have just plain stopped looking at Academy.

What I find funny is that 9mm is the most scarce of all. And this was the caliber that all the preppers said would always be available when and if the poo hit the fan. Sounded good in theory, not so much in practice.
 
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Ammo Shortage

I stopped in at Singleton’s Store in Cavendish, yesterday, and asked if they had any good deals on .45 ACP.
Guy laughed and said “Got some American Eagle FMJ for $41.95 (box of 50) if you want some”.
He also showed me a small box of defensive .357 Magnum for $60-something.
Otherwise, the shelves were bare.
Said that he’s heard now that it’s going to be two years before settling out.

From there, I drove on to Rutland and stopped at Dick’s Sporting Goods.
Not one round of pistol or revolver ammo anywhere - zip - nada.
Guy behind the counter said he can’t even feed his own Glock.

Come to think of it, .22 Rimfire (zombie apocalypse food supply) was nowhere to be seen either.

I think the point is - if you see stuff you can use, but don’t buy it - it won’t be there tomorrow.


Due to extreme shortages and high prices,
Warning shots will no longer be given.


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"And this was the caliber that all the preppers said would always be available when and if the poo hit the fan."

Oh....when and if the poop really hits the fan the 9mm and all other calibers will likely be bartering at astronomically higher values than present times.
Which is btw yet another reason why all ammo is so scarce. That would be because Americans that DO think the poop will eventually hit the fan are buying a lot more than they may ever personally need.

People are not just hoarding ammo for themselves and their personal shooting needs - they are sucking it up as a future potential trade item.

Rightly or wrongly so it is a big part of the scarcity scenario.

Uncertainty regarding the future breeds hoarding.

People who may not be able to buy ounces of Gold can buy various assorted boxes of ammo and that is the reality of what they are doing.
 
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