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Are you considering backing gun control laws? Do you think that because you may not own a gun, the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment don't matter?
CONSIDER THIS...

In 1929 the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945,
13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948-1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971-1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975-1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

That places total victims who lost their lives because of gun control at approximately 56 million in the last century. Since we should learn from the mistakes of history, the next time someone talks in favor of gun control, find out which group of citizens they wish to have exterminated.

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed, a program costing the government more than $500 million dollars. The results Australia-wide; Homicides are up 3.2%, Assaults are up 8%, and Armed robberies are up 44%.

In that country's state of Victoria, homicides with firearms are up 300%. Over the previous 25 years, figures show a steady decrease in armed robberies and Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain how no improvement in "safety" has been observed after such monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in "ridding society of guns."

It's time to state it plainly; Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws only affect the law-abiding citizens.
 

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Seen that or similar QK and yes it makes very solid points.

I just wish the anti's would take off their gut emotion hats and replace with logic hats. Sadly too many sheep live with the ''it can't happen here'' philosophy. :frown:
 

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The numbers concerning Germany are well supported !!! Just google, Jews and World War 2 !!!!!!
 

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yeah, that part I believed.

Interesting that the rest is news, but then what do you expect considering I took a Gov. class in high school on the constitution and we never once read it through.

I'm ashamed at the education this nation gives it's students and that was 24 years ago!
 

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Where would a person find a difinitive answer to these? What source could you trust? History books are a farce for the most part.

And why is it that all these claims of HISTORY never have footnotes?
 

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oregonshooter; I suggest reading Death by Government by Dr. R.J. Rummel. You can also check his web site. http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/ His book is filled with footnotes.
 

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Even if the hard numbers are off, the fact is that a nation can arbitrarily persecute, enslave and/or murder their own citizens if those same citizens' ability to defend themselves is curtained and/or eliminated....and let's not even get to the inability to defend oneself in the fact of the criminal element if weapons ownership is eliminated and/or reduced.
 

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These numbers are available from many different sources. One only needs to look for them. While they may vary a little in the actually numbers, they are still huge numbers that can not be dismissed because they may not be perfectly accurate.

When you have a disarmed society you have a controlled society. A controlled society is at the mercy of the powers of the governing body.
 

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oregonshooter said:
Where would a person find a difinitive answer to these? What source could you trust? History books are a farce for the most part.

And why is it that all these claims of HISTORY never have footnotes?
It depends on what you will accept as "definitive", and what sources you consider trusted, doesn't it? One easy way to avoid having to accept the possibilities is to deny that any historical sources can be trusted as other than propaganda by one faction or another. Of course, histories are usually written by the victors, but these slaughters are confirmed by independent observations.

The Leninist and Stalinist purges in Russia and the USSR, particularly the Stalinist purges, are well-documented. The Maoist purges and the Cultural Revolution in China, likewise. The persecution of Armenians under Turkish domination during the upheaval of WWI is documented, but not well-known in the US. The Guatamalan death squads, a topic of nightly news for years in this country. The Killing Fields of Cambodia - documented and dramatized. The slaughter in Uganda, not to mention Ethiopia, the Sudan and Rwanda, documented dispassionately by the U.N. and the U.S. State Dept. Crime statistics for the UK, Australia, and Washington, DC, are available, and John Lott offers extensive citation for before and after gun control crime stats.

Are the numbers precise? How accurate do they have to be when they number in the hundreds of thousands, and millions? It would be nice to see citations for the numbers people so glibly throw around, though.
 

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Gun Control

Ladies & Gents,

Here is an article from Debbie O'hara, dated April, 2004. It (at least in part) supports some of the numbers included in the article...


Wasn't it Clint Eastwood that said, "I believe in gun control. If there's a gun in the room, I want to control it"


http://www.newswithviews.com/Ohara/debbie22.htm


:tumbleweed: Thanks,
 

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Part II

OK...I'll ad these two quotes, just because....


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"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to posses arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so." -Adolph Hitler 1938


And #2

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms
is the goal"--(Janet Reno)

:aargh4: :aargh4: :aargh4:

Any Questions....anyone...anyone???
 

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The numbers of the former U.S.S.R. might be lowballed a bit, considering the number of people dead as a result of being interned to the Gulag.
 

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OK, so if the numbers are so evident, and the outcome has been 100%.

Why isn't the message getting past the left wing media? Why isn't it so blarringly obvious that anyone would vote for any guin control?

Don't get me wrong, I was not saying these numbers are false, only unproven. So far I hear a lot of "do a google", read a history book (fiction many of them), and what does it matter if the numbers are not good. The heart of the issue is that gun control kills.

Fair enough, but the opposition makes the same argument with "facts" and figures and says what does it matter "if one child's death is spared by gun control?"

How many here have DONE the research themselves? Not read an author that has done the research, but actually did their own report. What sources did you trust?

It's one thing to believe, it's another to know.
 

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Oregonshooter,

I hear what you are saying. I also agree "do your homework and then decide where you want to stand.

Unfortunately though there are people in this country, that think just like Hitler. Look at some of the biggest supporters of gun control. I do believe they have a different agenda for this country once they get us disarmed.

Brian
 

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Randal,
I agree 100%

I guess I got off on a rant. I'm not disputing the numbers or even the validity of the argument, just making a point... What was it again? LOL
 

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Let's face it. We are all going to have to take someone else's word for history. As for me, my grandfather has a few pictures of stacked bodies, he took when assinged to Brookenwald (SP?) at the end of WWII. He saw the results, and so have I through the pictures he took.
 

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OK, so if the numbers are so evident, and the outcome has been 100%.

Why isn't the message getting past the left wing media? Why isn't it so blarringly obvious that anyone would vote for any guin control?
I must join in on these questions. In answer to the first question - please read your question. It contains the answer. Why isn't the message getting past the LEFT WING MEDIA? By definition the "Left Wing Media" is left wing therefore will not publish information that will damage their own position. They may be liberal and left wing, but they are not stupid. Only idiots publish information that undercuts their own arguments! Second question, what makes you think that the leaders and thinkers in the gun control groups do not know this information? Since you want to look at history. Take a look and determine when information to the contrary to an ideologues position was ever deemed relevant to their position. As the old statement goes, "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up." The leaders and thinkers in the groups know the facts, but since the facts do not support their cause they ignore, spin, or make up new "facts" to support their cause whichever is more benefitial at the time. Tomorrow they may do something different.

If you ever engage a person who is a sold out supporter of any left wing cause in conversation you eventually get to the point where you ask the question a friend of mine asked. The person he asked had continually ignored every substantive argument for a position opposite to his and had offered no substantive arguments for his position. My friend finally stated the following: I will no longer talk to you because you neither listen nor think, but before I go I want to ask you one more quesiton, "Does your head whistle when you go out in the wind?"
 
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