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just tryed to help

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in 90 i was home on leave and i walked out of a lil stop n rob to find this long haired druggy looking guy sitting on his girlfriends mid~section beating the living daylights out of her.

I honestly thought about just minding my own business...since getting in to trouble with the law would cause me some severe problems back on post but, being the dumb grunt that i am - i decided to help
"oooops" i yelled at the guy while approaching so that he might deflect his attention from smashing her up any further

all he did was pause and tell me to mind my own fing business turned back to her and pounded away.
She was a mess.
So..when he went back to work on her i grabbed a big ol handful of long hair and yanked him back ward off her and onto his face
then straddling him.
I applied what is known as jujitsu as a rear nekid choke putting him to sleep

The moral is
She jumps up starts yelling for the police which had arrived on the scene to arrest me for assaulting her.
Her Boy Friend & i got cuffed and put in a squad car till they could straighten it all out.

Meanwhile she was yelling the whole time that she wanted to press charges (not on the guy that had broken her nose and knocked out three teeth) but on me for hurting her precious bf
i walked...after the police got them to leave.
this was before the mandatory charge law was passed for domestic violence in Calif made me feel like never helping anyone again
but to tell the truth i would do it all again
this happened in Modesto California (still a crap hole) thats why i don't live there any more.
Just thought you all might like this you never know when you try to help who's side the victim will be on in a domestic issue
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I believe that your actions were appropriate. You cannot read the mind of the person being assaulted. As is true for many times a "good samaritan" gets involved, the police don't have the good fortune to look into a crystal ball and know what happened. They secure everyone and begin to investigate. In the end, Justice is usually served, as it was in this case.

Too often People, Citizens, Americans are told to just point and yell when person is getting mugged, raped, beat up - Assaulted! The concern is that you might get hurt yourself if you intervene. That may be true some of the time, but the lions share of the time it will/would make a difference. Law enforcement is not soley exclusive to the Police and other such agencies. We have granted them the authority to enforce the law, but the responsibility resides with us as well. Gone is the attitude and selflessness of my Grandfather's generation. The decline started with my Father's generation, and continues to this day. As is true in the states that have a CCW right and responsibility, where violent crime has been shown to have decreased, if we Citizens let criminals know that their actions are not tolerated through a proactive approach, then crime would decrease as a whole. All we need to do is give a damn about our neighbors.

RLTW!
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CopperKnight wrote:
Makes you think, though, if you were carrying at the time, would your response have been different?
I wrote this post in another thread, but I think it is relavent to this post as well:

I would find it very hard to justify the use of Lethal Force. With him being unarmed, I don't believe it even justifies me brandishing my weapon. Now, had he produced or aquired a potential deadly weapon, such as a stick or club, I would be justified in brandishing my firearm and alerting him. The moment he didn't comply with my commands and raised the club to strike my wife, I would then be justified to use Lethal Force.

I may be wrong, but I have never heard of a LEO use Lethal Force on a BG that is known to be unarmed, even if he/she is wailing on another person or LEO. Less then Lethal Force/Weapons are usually used. If the BG produces a weapon such as a club, shovel, or knife, or demonstrates actions/intent of the desire to escalate the fight, such as grab for the LEO's firearm, then all bets are off. As Less then Lethal tools are available to the public, the same principle of escalation of force apply. There has got to be some LEO's here that can shed some light. Off the record of course!! Ha, Ha!

I suppose the question is at what point is the thin line between a good ass whooping, and severe bodily harm or death possible that justifies Lethal use of Force/Weapons?

RLTW!
Rob
 
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