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So as I'm sitting here watching this movie, it gets me thinking about human psychology and violence and all that comes in our 'human nature'. I get to thinking about what people would do without the shackles of law and consequences "Would I be capable of doing something like this?". We carry daily with the intent to defend ourselves and with that intent we have to overcome certain mental obstacles such as fear, indecision, or just plain lack of experience. I'm sure my mind would be going a million miles a minute if I was ever in such a situation where I would have to use my weapon because 1. I've never had to use deadly force. 2. I've never even come close to being in such a situation where I could say "glad I avoided that one!". In fact, the only people who would have the skills and training are those who have been in the military, law enforcement, or personal experience. Mind you I'm not saying that these folks are heartless people, what I am saying is that they have probably been through been through some of the situations that we discuss and have a far better understanding of what goes on, what to do, and how they usually turn out. That is why we usually turn the these people when we seek advice as well.

Anyways back to my point. People in general tend to respect the law and order that we have here in society and even when presented with opportunities to get away anything at any particular point in time, some choose not to. Now whether that be based on morals, fear of getting caught, paranoia, or just a plain old fashion good person, it varies from person to person. Me personally I've done some things that I've never gotten caught for but I was paranoid as can be about someone finding out for a while afterwards. We all get angry, harbor some animosity towards other individuals, or just get downright furious at others and act out. My point is that we don't act out at all anymore and we harbor our true feelings inside in order to cooperate with society's rules. I remember if a kid was picking on you, you met him at the flagpole after class and you two duked it out right then and there! Now it's go tell your parents, who tells your counselor, who provides some sort of intervention, then basically the two kids still go at it anyways. The big point being that as a society we avoid violence at all costs because 'it's a bad thing'. Here's one for example, you catch your significant other with another person, what do you do? Do you go up to their face and 'educate' the person (not the significant other) on how angry you are and how much of a piece of crap they are to you and what you would like to do to them? Or just let them have it like every cell is screaming in your body to do so? Being that there are now lawful consequences for just about every act of violence people curb their tendencies to lash out to avoid the police, jail, or whatever may occur as a result. It's just too damn big of a mess to deal with so it get's bottled up inside and later down the road becomes an experience or forever bothers you and you never get over it.

I guess the final question is, can violence stem from actually holding back until you can't anymore and it comes out in one big bang? By being the good law abiding citizen can you inadverdantly be brewing something bigger? Honestly this is just what's going on in my mind and is solely an opinion not to be taken as fact or accusations of anyone in particular.
 

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Regardless of that, it is an anti-Tea Party/anti-small Goberment useless piece of trash film from the Hollywood......JAs/donkeys......., um, ah, um, people, who hate all of us for the 2A, and the fact that we live our 2A God Given (not Guberment given....) Rights!

It really is a piece of trash film in it's messages. Entertaining, well, you decide.

Edit update. Just wanted to add this: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/06/07/critics-purge-attack-on-tea-party-nra/
 

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Regardless of that, it is an anti-Tea Party/anti-small Goberment useless piece of trash from the Hollywood............., um, ah, um, people, who hate all of us for the 2A, and the fact that we live our 2A God Given (not Guberment given....) Rights!

It really is a piece of trash film.
Aside from that, I would just like to examine the possibilities of what I was talking about. What better way to defend yourself than to understand your surroundings and the people that inhabit it? I'm just trying to wrap my head around violence in general. These "Anti-'s" you speak about, would you say that they are for that society of avoiding violence at any costs? Maybe that idea of a 'violence free society' is destined to implode on itself down the road?
 

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Regardless of that, it is an anti-Tea Party/anti-small Goberment useless piece of trash film from the Hollywood......JAs/donkeys......., um, ah, um, people, who hate all of us for the 2A, and the fact that we live our 2A God Given (not Guberment given....) Rights!

It really is a piece of trash film in it's messages. Entertaining, well, you decide.

Edit update. Just wanted to add this: Critics: 'The Purge' an attack on Tea Party, NRA | Fox News
It is just a movie dude.......

I see the message as this. The government is not there to help you. All citizens can be armed. Police will not arrive to help you. The onus is on the citizen for home and self defense.

Now, isn't that the message we preach?
 

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I guess the final question is, can violence stem from actually holding back until you can't anymore and it comes out in one big bang? By being the good law abiding citizen can you inadverdantly be brewing something bigger? Honestly this is just what's going on in my mind and is solely an opinion not to be taken as fact or accusations of anyone in particular.
Yes and we've seen it happen plenty of times. I'm sure around the nation, people "snap" every day but not everybody does it in a way that involves shooting the place up or other "news worthy" ways.
 
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Also, thanks for not giving out any spoilers. I haven't seen the movie yet but will soon. The reviews I've seen seem to be pretty mixed and IMO the concept would make a better book than movie.
 

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I just wonder sometimes that when we have movies like this. And some nutjob sees it and then goes on a rampage. But what do I know its just a movie and we all know Hollywood is full of entertaining B.S. Stay safe and carry on.
 

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I see the message as this. The government is not there to help you. All citizens can be armed. Police will not arrive to help you. The onus is on the citizen for home and self defense.
I applaud your optimism. Your message is spot on. However, that is the opposite if the intended message of the movie. The movie tells its audience, "see what happens when the gov. is not there to protect you? Without gov. control of your safety, chaos will ensue."
 

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I applaud your optimism. Your message is spot on. However, that is the opposite if the intended message of the movie. The movie tells its audience, "see what happens when the gov. is not there to protect you? Without gov. control of your safety, chaos will ensue."
Having not seen the movie I may be wrong (has to happen eventually, right?) but I am going to assume the hero (Ethan Hawke) prevails. If that is the case than isn't suntzu's take on it closer to the mark? Now if the guy's whole family is slaughtered than I'm with you.
 
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The big point being that as a society we avoid violence at all costs because 'it's a bad thing'.

Here's one for example, you catch your significant other with another person, what do you do? Do you go up to their face and 'educate' the person (not the significant other) on how angry you are and how much of a piece of crap they are to you and what you would like to do to them?
Scuba did you just come up from a deep dive without decompressing? As for your example, almost as much blood has been shed over the infidelity as has been due to religious beliefs!

There is EVIL in this world! Maybe some group therapy, and not the gun range, would help but you need to stop drink the koolaid!

Again to the example, I doubt if I would grant a three step favor to the guy with hair color yellow!

Actually I'd pack her bag and send her on her way!
 
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Interesting how some movies invoke such introspection. Dumb and Dumber and the same effect on me. The film is steeped in thought provoking commentary. This scene, for example, contemplates the base human reactions and raw emotions that are often hidden by the thin veneer of society - remove that veneer, and even the most simple tools of refinement become implements of violence.


Brilliant. Simply brilliant.
 

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The movie is a pretty ham fisted and crude slap at the NRA and gun culture in general. If you can't catch that from just watching the trailers then you are giving Ethan Hawke way too much leeway
 

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Regardless of that, it is an anti-Tea Party/anti-small Goberment useless piece of trash film from the Hollywood......JAs/donkeys......., um, ah, um, people, who hate all of us for the 2A, and the fact that we live our 2A God Given (not Guberment given....) Rights!

It really is a piece of trash film in it's messages. Entertaining, well, you decide.

Edit update. Just wanted to add this: Critics: 'The Purge' an attack on Tea Party, NRA | Fox News
Angelico, I can't tell but are you being sarcastic?

How many of y'all have this movie? I'll reserve my judgment until I see it. I will say, though, that I thought Justin Timberlake's movie In Time was produced by OWS'ers. It was a definite 99%-er type movie.
 

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This movie sounds like a rental. The premise is silly too. I'm not being dishonest by saying I never wanted to kill anyone in my entire life. Maybe I'm not normal?
 

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Have not seen the movie... Just my humble opinion but I'm of two thoughts. First I believe there is untamed, unrestrained evil amongst the human population. Put that with a complete sociopath, and we get Adolph Hitler, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, The inqisition, conquistadors... and others. There are individuals who wake up every morning and decide how they will take and or hurt other humans. Evil exists. My second thought is that individual human beings posses a strong survival drive. We also have a strong tribal connection drive. Modern society has and is designed to suppress thise drives. But has resulted in some communities to support, and justify these drives, while completely buffered other comunities into a false sense of security to the point they lose much of their survival instincts.

The common denominator in the entire conversation is violence. Society teaches that violence is a bad word. IMO it's just a word. Good or bad depending on the context of the conversation. Like a firearm has become a bad tool. But it's just a tool good or bad depending on the context it is used. Making words and tools bad IMO is very 1984ish new-speak.

I will see this movie the " THE PURGE ". I'll probably take it with a grain of salt. Just like any, and everything out of Hollywood these days. I'm sure the writers, directors, and producers are all atwitter and patting each other on the back, grinning and counting the money. Like they have come up with something new. And the big government people and the anti gun crowd are all feeling validated by this film. And if some mentally unstable character('s) declare their own purge they all will say that they cant be responsible for what a mentally unstable person does. But blame the gun (if he use one) as the cause of the tragedy.

I have a rant to go with this subject but I wont subject the membership... Cause it's not pretty
 

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I truly believe that if the concept of this movie met reality, People would still have their morals. I'm sure there would be an increase in murder and violence in that 12 hour period, but I believe that most people, and by most I'm talking like in the 90% (an assumption, obviously), would still obey most of the original laws. There may be shoplifting, looting, vandalism, but probably, not as much murder and violence that would be assumed. I can honestly say, that there have been times that I was angry enough with somebody, to want to hit them. It's a perfectly natural, human reaction. But I was clearly able to hold back because not only could it land you in huge trouble, but most likely, in an hour after you cool down, you'd regret it. I have never been in a serious, physical fight. I've been close, but was able to remain calm enough on the outside. I have never actually wanted to kill people. The true desire to WANT to commit murder for the sake of killing, is a mentally unstable condition. Even if it was perfectly legal for 12 hours, you still have morals.

I truly think the vast majority of people, would likely hunker down and hope they're not bothered, and do their best to defend themselves at any costs. I know that's exactly what I would do.

I've had people ask me about the movie and ask what I would do, just as fun conversation... it's like... do you really think I'd just go out and kill for fun? That's disgusting. And even people who think they'd do things that they wouldn't normally do because of the law (mainly violence and murder), probably still wouldn't do them, because they have a conscience. MOST people, are good people. Even if they're stupid, act rude, selfish or have any other negative personality trait, I truly believe that MOST people are truly good people.
 

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If I'm reading you right, I think that it is up to us all to manage our frustration and get out our aggressions to where they don't build up. Going out on the range does a world of good for me as does going to church or chilling with some friends with an adult beverage. The violence building up in society is another question, but it really is nothing new. It ebbs and flows, depending on who is in charge and what is going on in the world. Evil has been around for a long time brother. It's up to good people to offset that evil as best as we can, and take a stand against it when we have to with our weapon of choice. :)
 
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I truly believe that if the concept of this movie met reality, People would still have their morals. I'm sure there would be an increase in murder and violence in that 12 hour period, but I believe that most people, and by most I'm talking like in the 90% (an assumption, obviously), would still obey most of the original laws. There may be shoplifting, looting, vandalism, but probably, not as much murder and violence that would be assumed. I can honestly say, that there have been times that I was angry enough with somebody, to want to hit them. It's a perfectly natural, human reaction. But I was clearly able to hold back because not only could it land you in huge trouble, but most likely, in an hour after you cool down, you'd regret it. I have never been in a serious, physical fight. I've been close, but was able to remain calm enough on the outside. I have never actually wanted to kill people. The true desire to WANT to commit murder for the sake of killing, is a mentally unstable condition. Even if it was perfectly legal for 12 hours, you still have morals.

I truly think the vast majority of people, would likely hunker down and hope they're not bothered, and do their best to defend themselves at any costs. I know that's exactly what I would do.

I've had people ask me about the movie and ask what I would do, just as fun conversation... it's like... do you really think I'd just go out and kill for fun? That's disgusting. And even people who think they'd do things that they wouldn't normally do because of the law (mainly violence and murder), probably still wouldn't do them, because they have a conscience. MOST people, are good people. Even if they're stupid, act rude, selfish or have any other negative personality trait, I truly believe that MOST people are truly good people.

Interesting reaction. I would love to agree with you. Perhaps my view of people is skewed by my having seen some of the worst people can do to each other for many years. I believe that far more people would become unhinged than your estimation. I say that I dont want to kill anyone because I really dont. But then I think of those who only remain alive because it's against the law to kill them. Those people do exist.
 
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