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Hopefully this won't cause an uproar but, what do all of you think would be a reasonable solution to go about this whole gun control debate and protect gun rights from the gun grabbers yet at the same time minimizing gun violence?

With all these shootings, it's like in one way you can't blame them for wanting stricter gun laws. But, as we all know, too many people want to go about things like this completely the wrong way with the wrong attitude.

I want to keep my gun rights. I want all of you other good and decent people out there to keep yours as well.

How do we do this yet, at the same time, keep Hilliary and all her supporters from trying to take our guns and not listening to the logic that only law abiding citizens follow laws and that criminals do not?

There has to be a solution other than just banning guns altogether.


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The only way is to keep the gun grabbers out of office in the first place.
And how do you propose we do that?? With all this talk of her pretty much already being our next president even before the election, what if she does make it in there? Then what? Your proposal to keep gun grabbers out of office was about as effective as a fart in a windstorm. Lol.

The purpose of the thread was to discuss ways to make everybody happy. I know, wishful thinking but, there has to be a way other than one side saying leave my gun rights alone and the other saying guns need to be banned completely so no one will have them.

Yes, I know, if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns but apparently that makes way too much sense for the libs to understand.

Criminals will always find ways to get a gun.

There has to be a happy medium somehow. I dunno, maybe there isn't. There has to be a way to eliminate gun violence but yet at the same time, not disarming the law abiding citizens from defending themselves in the process.




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Hopefully this won't cause an uproar but, what do all of you think would be a reasonable solution to go about this whole gun control debate and protect gun rights from the gun grabbers yet at the same time minimizing gun violence?

With all these shootings, it's like in one way you can't blame them for wanting stricter gun laws. But, as we all know, too many people want to go about things like this completely the wrong way with the wrong attitude.

I want to keep my gun rights. I want all of you other good and decent people out there to keep yours as well.

How do we do this yet, at the same time, keep Hilliary and all her supporters from trying to take our guns and not listening to the logic that only law abiding citizens follow laws and that criminals do not?

There has to be a solution other than just banning guns altogether.


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When you have freedom, you'll have those who will abuse it. Nothing you can do to stop it other than to restrict everyone's rights.
 

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When you have freedom, you'll have those who will abuse it. Nothing you can do to stop it other than to restrict everyone's rights.
Sooo, kinda like in early grade school, if one student steals the chalkboard eraser...... When teacher asked who did it, and no one fesses up, the whole class suffers getting to sit in their seats quietly while the rest of the classes go to the playground for recess?

Unfortunately that's how a lot of it is in the truckdriving industry. Because of all this lack of training and common sense from these mega carriers, the law makers keep pushing more and more regulation on every person who drives a truck. These people that have no business driving a truck are the ones making it difficult for the rest of us that do, much like how the kid that stole the eraser won't speak up.


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There will never be a way to eliminate violence without taking rights away and that is the problem....Too many people who think they know what is best for someone else is the problem.

Yin and Yang...Takes both for balance and when you try and change universal balance then that is when all chaos ensures.
 

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I agree with TeflonDon.

OP, it's a good point to ponder; however, I have come to realize that unfortunately, the anti's really don't want to find a "happy medium"...actually they don't want anyone except the police to have guns. Which is, of course, exactly the opposite of what our founding fathers intended for the civilian population.
 

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Hopefully this won't cause an uproar but, what do all of you think would be a reasonable solution to go about this whole gun control debate and protect gun rights from the gun grabbers yet at the same time minimizing gun violence?

With all these shootings, it's like in one way you can't blame them for wanting stricter gun laws. But, as we all know, too many people want to go about things like this completely the wrong way with the wrong attitude.

I want to keep my gun rights. I want all of you other good and decent people out there to keep yours as well.

How do we do this yet, at the same time, keep Hilliary and all her supporters from trying to take our guns and not listening to the logic that only law abiding citizens follow laws and that criminals do not?

There has to be a solution other than just banning guns altogether.


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Drunk driving deaths per year have been reduced by over fifty percent since 1982, all without banning or restricting ownership of motor vehicles. Instead, the efforts have been directed at the drunks doing the driving. Maybe if a similar approach was adopted by going after people who commit crimes with guns...
 

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There will never be a way to eliminate violence without taking rights away and that is the problem....Too many people who think they know what is best for someone else is the problem.
OP, it's a good point to ponder; however, I have come to realize that unfortunately, the anti's really don't want to find a "happy medium"...actually they don't want anyone except the police to have guns.
There's gotta be some that just don't want another Orlando to happen again but yes, I think the majority of them think just as you said, 9B.


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The "anti's" will not be happy until there are no guns allowed, in the hands of Americans, people in America or even the police, on American soil. Guns will be available only to special guards protecting a certain level of society.

The second Amendment states, "Shall not be infringed". We have already allowed more than enough infringement. It does not say , "Forever there shall be compromise until guns no longer exist."

The best solution for the Anti's, there are many lands around the world that are gun free, move.
 

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IMHO: If there was NEVER any firearms, people would kill people with other items; knife, sword, broken beer bottle, hammer, run over with a vehicle, blow them up, etc........
A firearm is just one item.....of many ways to intimidate, kill or wound another.
I don't believe the gun grabbers just want to have just "gun control" they want Australia or the UK style of full firearm confiscation.
Universal Background Checks is one way by getting the purchasers name, address, type of weapon, serial number, caliber, etc. so at the appropriate time, they can send the "authorities" to your home and relieve you of your firearm(s). Look at what they did in New Orleans when Katrina came......From what I understand, a majority of those weapons have yet to be returned to the rightful owners.
These politicians cannot explain how you will safe by taking all the guns. (Please re-read my first sentence).......The gun grabbing politicians and anti gun organizations never tell the truth about their facts. They are just as slimly as the climate change worships that slant the truth, distort the facts, mis-state the real information and intentionally out and out lie to support their opinions/beliefs.
At the end of the day, it's about 2 things; CONTROL and MONEY. I don't know in what order but most of what the politicians, government and other do goods put out is false propaganda with an agenda.
The politicians and government just can't leave the people alone because they are so smart and know better than you! They assume everybody is an incompetent fool that can't be trusted with their own money, guns, lives, homes, toilets, light bulbs, food, health, and every other aspect of your life. Just hand over your $ and give up your rights and your life will be fully taken care of with the politicians wisdom.
Personally, the people need to wake up, put down the smart phone, stop streaming porn all day, and educated them selves on what is happening in this country. We ain't going to last much longer and when the guns are gone, no one can fight back from a tyrannical corrupt government.
Enough said!
 

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The second Amendment states, "Shall not be infringed". We have already allowed more than enough infringement. It does not say , "Forever there shall be compromise until guns no longer exist."
I'm not going to get into that because that's not what the discussion is about. Talking about what classifies as infringement and what doesn't is too much like talking politics or religion. It's just someone's beliefs over someone else's.
The best solution for the Anti's, there are many lands around the world that are gun free, move.
I agree. Just like in Texas. If you're gay and don't like Texas laws regarding it, don't live there. Move to a more "gay friendly" state. There's plenty of them. lol.


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I agree. Just like in Texas. If you're gay and don't like Texas laws regarding it, don't live there. Move to a more "gay friendly" state. There's plenty of them. lol.
There are a couple problems with "just move". One, it simply isn't an economic possibility for most. If it were, the inner city ghettos would be completely abandoned.
The next one is that with federal bans or restrictions implemented, there is no place to move to.
 

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IMHO: If there was NEVER any firearms, people would kill people with other items; knife, sword, broken beer bottle, hammer, run over with a vehicle, blow them up, etc........
A firearm is just one item.....of many ways to intimidate, kill or wound another.
I don't believe the gun grabbers just want to have just "gun control" they want Australia or the UK style of full firearm confiscation.
It's just too bad that a firearm is regarded the most effective tool over a rock, knife, car, ect ect.
Universal Background Checks is one way by getting the purchasers name, address, type of weapon, serial number, caliber, etc. so at the appropriate time, they can send the "authorities" to your home and relieve you of your firearm(s).
First off, that background check information when you buy a gun is only temporarily available information from what I was told. In other words, the only way to be able to do what you said in in the first part of the quote that this paragraph is in response to was if you actually register your gun. Second, the only reason the gun dealer records that information is just so that if that gun they sold you ever ends up at a crime scene, that's just one more page in the paper trail that the FBI will follow and move on.

Look at what they did in New Orleans when Katrina came......From what I understand, a majority of those weapons have yet to be returned to the rightful owners.
Guess I never did hear about that.



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So lets stop talking about Gun Control and start talking about Crime Control, Criminal control, etc... Lets take better care of our Mentally ill.... It seems like if we get a good hold on those three items Gun Control would be a Moot point!

No one wants to talk about how most "Gun Crimes " occur in the largest metro areas. Why are we not dealing with those problems first?

It's because those in charge of those areas are getting rich keeping those people in those slums, barrios, and tenements. DR
 

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I'm not going to get into that because that's not what the discussion is about. Talking about what classifies as infringement and what doesn't is too much like talking politics or religion. It's just someone's beliefs over someone else's.


I agree. Just like in Texas. If you're gay and don't like Texas laws regarding it, don't live there. Move to a more "gay friendly" state. There's plenty of them. lol.


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The solution to not banning guns altogether is to protect the 2nd Amendment. You are asking for solutions on how to meet half way. Which allows infringement. Infringement is not politics or beliefs. The 2A is not politics or beliefs.

Your last line/statement, ""I agree. Just like in Texas. If you're gay and don't like Texas laws regarding it, don't live there. Move to a more "gay friendly" state. There's plenty of them. lol."" is just wrong on so many levels it deserves no response.

This is not GRADE school.
 

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Bad people don't care about laws. They will arm themselves anyway. Gun control is a joke. We need bad guy control.
 

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Until people quit using the liberal/media speak foolish misnomer “GUN VIOLENCE” and admit the problem is the CRIMINALS using guns there will be a continued attack on 2A Rights. I am old and crusty enough that if I hear that foolish phrase used I have no problem in blistering their ears with my opinion of their parroting of media/liberal stupidity. [/rant]
 

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I'm not at all anti-government. It serves a critical role in restraining anarchy and punishing wrongdoers (or at least should be doing those).
But what our nation's founders understood...is that humans are humans whether they are average citizens, government employees or politicians.
Thus our system of checks and balances (e.g. the 3 branches of government, our BOR...specifically the 2A, etc.)
I just don't understand why so many of our fellow citizens are so willing and eager to turn over (and give up) so much power & leverage to government authorities...
...especially when those in high positions are so crassly corrupt, greedy, power-hungry, incompetent and amoral.
If you can't trust individual citizens with firearms...why would you ever trust the government & politicians with them?
Gun-control? No, what I want to know is...who or what is going to control those who are trying to control us.
 
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