I will say this about that weapon system. I really do not think a BG will want to get shot with 30 rounds of .22 mag....
I agree with you 100%, and here's the funny thing: I have all the other guns. 9's, 40's, 45's, 380, 25acp. In nearly every format, 1911, m&p, shield, etc.IMHO, it's not that it couldn't be a defensive round, it's that there are so many other better choices. Rimfire cartridges also have greater potential to be less reliable.
That said, I actually like Keltec and think they're an okay entry-level priced firearm in general, but to pay $900 for one, defeats the purpose of buying a Keltec.
Go get you a nice $290 PF-9 and carry on :wink:.
I appreciate that feedback. I too, think they feel cheap, but the machining and fit and finish seems good (on this one). But it doesn't feel right to me.I am a Kel Tec hater after my PF9 experience.
Yes, they look cheap because they are cheap. They look like they were made in a dimly lit Chinese garage.
If you are lucky and don't get a lemon from Kel Tec good on ya. If you're like me and get a POS there is nothing you can do but sell it off or throw it away.
I would never trust my life to a Kel Tec.
I ccw a glock 26, gen4. So it wouldn't be carry, for sure, but the more I hear from you guys (Thanks Zonker), I don't like it. And if this was at the retail price of $415 there wouldn't even have been a post. I would have walked out with it just for range fun. For $900 I can get several much better firearm products.I would by a .22 Magnum Keltec for $300 in a New York second. I would NEVER pay $900 for a Keltec pistol.
Like WHEC724 said, get a Keltec PF-9 9mm and call it a day.
That settles it for me. Game over. I appreciate that!!When the PMR 30 came out I was really wanting one bad, I've got the AMT Automag in stainless but it is huge in the grip and quite heavy. Unfortunately, the PMR became too popular too fast and the market price soared. Shortly there after however, Keltec had a recall on them and stopped shipping for quite some time. Look into it, there were problems, I even heard they were recalling a bunch that were already sold but few people sent them back... liked it too much I guess. Good luck on finding one, just make sure it is safe to shoot.
Yes, you are right and the list goes on so on to the next one.Neither a Kel-Tec or the 22 Magnum would be my first choice if I had $900 to spend. Better guns and more effective cartridges exist for that kind of money. Not saying you would be poorly armed, just that I think you could do better. For example: Glock ( or equivalent ) 9mm, 40 or 45 with extra magazine for $650 and $250 worth of ammo would be a better buy IMO.
I was leary of polymer altogether, for a while, but Glock sold me. I LOVE STEEL! Please don't shoot me, 1911 fans, I have them and love them! I just also like a good, quality, polymer frame gun too. (keys good and quality!)I know a guy who has PMR 30 and he doesn't report any issues with it. The .22 Magnum wouldn't be my choice to feed through any semi-automatic delivery system. It's way long for cartridge diameter and has a rim, both of which are less conducive to reliable feeding. The .22 Magnum, when fired from a handgun length barrel, will just about equal a .22 Long Rifle cartridge fired from a rifle-length barrel. I could live with a .22 rifle for self-defense but would like something throwing more bullet weight.
Aside from the cartridge, I don't do "plastic-ee" so appreciate what you are saying about the overall feel of the pistol. Plastic doesn't bother most folks these days and so is no hindrance to a firearm's popularity with the public.
Agreed! And I have them. I thought I might be selling Keltec short but my gut seems like it was right.For $900 you can get a much better pistol in a much better cartridge that is the same size.
That's a good point and I'm not really an entry level buyer anyway. Another reason I shyed away from Keltec altogether, not really my thing. But the 30 rounds got my attention.IMHO, it's not that it couldn't be a defensive round, it's that there are so many other better choices. Rimfire cartridges also have greater potential to be less reliable.
That said, I actually like Keltec and think they're an okay entry-level priced firearm in general, but to pay $900 for one, defeats the purpose of buying a Keltec.
Go get you a nice $290 PF-9 and carry on :wink:.
Everything I've found out about Keltec, simply in less than 24 hours, tells me that it's likely not worth the $415 retail price. My initial evaluation as Keltec was the Kia of guns was a little off...FYI Friedmans Jewlers in Augusta GA has one for sale for $589
TC
Both Speer (the 1st) and Winchester make a 22 Win Mag for personal protection. Speer is their short barrel round and Winchester is their PDX-1 round. Both are designed for a 2" barrel. Winchester claims to be between as 32 ACP and a 380 ACP in terminal ballistics.Second issue: 22 Magnum cartridge. Is this, or can this be considered a defensive round? I know they make hollowpoints for them, but are they effective? I could find little on penetration and ballistics.