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How many people in this forum actually have training on using the knife in a defensive manner. Not trying to put anybody down but I come across people all the time that carry knives for defenseive purposes but have no clue how to deploy it or use it if they had to.
 

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I've been training the Amok! system for the last 6 months. I highly recommend everyone who carries defensively to get the right training, just as with a handgun!
 

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Black Knife, I couldn't agree with you more. I am currently in training with a Martial Blade Concepts Instructor. I've been at it for a couple of months now, and seem to be progressing. Have a lesson for this coming Saturday, locally on Long Island:drillsergeant:. "Doc"
 

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I'm self trained through instrutional videos, pratcie, and lots of time familiarizeing myself with my weapon...and the human body such as vital points and effective techniques for striking them. I even have a training dummy, lol.

I guess I could benifit from an actual instructor but all in all I'm still fairly confidint that I'm a little better off than someone who just carries a knife without ever practicing it's practical use for combat situations.
 

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How many people in this forum actually have training on using the knife in a defensive manner. Not trying to put anybody down but I come across people all the time that carry knives for defenseive purposes but have no clue how to deploy it or use it if they had to.
Since your critiquing..whats your experience?

And I say over a hundred street fights gives me a slight edge over the McDojo guy any day. Kinda hard to sit in a defensive seminar all day and then ask the guy how many real fights he has been in with the answer being "none" Unless your trainer has been in numerous "real" fights with the same result every time, all your learning is "theory". Meaning in theory it "should" work. Not trying to put anyone down, I am just a realist.

What I do is try to take bits a pieces of what guys train and then relate those theories to my personal experiences and try to dissect the BS from the stuff that has actual value.
 

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Since your critiquing..whats your experience?

And I say over a hundred street fights gives me a slight edge over the McDojo guy any day.
Since you are asking...I am currently a 1st degree black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu...I have over 14 years of Kali and Escrima training...I have also trained in Muay Thai and Boxing.

I own and operate two BJJ schools and I also run a tactical defense training consulting company where I teach law enforcement and military unarmed combat. I am also a former Marine and former Cop....I was born and raised in East Los Angeles (Gang Territory).

I have been in more fights on and off duty than your mere 100. Thats not including the fights I had as a kid.

So whose is bigger? yours or mine
 

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Since you are asking...I am currently a 1st degree black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu...I have over 14 years of Kali and Escrima training...I have also trained in Muay Thai and Boxing.

I own and operate two BJJ schools and I also run a tactical defense training consulting company where I teach law enforcement and military unarmed combat. I am also a former Marine and former Cop....I was born and raised in East Los Angeles (Gang Territory).

I have been in more fights on and off duty than your mere 100. Thats not including the fights I had as a kid.

So whose is bigger? yours or mine
Your the one who pretty much started the "who's is bigger" As you pretty much started the thread that way. So I was just confirming your intentions.

And I could care less whos is bigger. But sounds like you do.
 

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Chill Pill Time.
Let's try to keep it friendly.
No need to spit street smarts and credentials at one another.
The last time I checked we were all on the same side of the fence regarding personal self-defense.
 

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Let's try to keep it friendly.
No need to spit street smarts and credentials at one another.
The last time I checked we were all on the same side of the fence regarding personal self-defense.
I agree. I guess I came at him wrong. I just figured it was one of those my training is the best thread so I kind of instigated. Sorry folks!:gah:
 

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I'm self trained through instrutional videos, pratcie, and lots of time familiarizeing myself with my weapon...and the human body such as vital points and effective techniques for striking them. I even have a training dummy, lol.

I guess I could benifit from an actual instructor but all in all I'm still fairly confidint that I'm a little better off than someone who just carries a knife without ever practicing it's practical use for combat situations.
I am glad you do some training....but I recommend that you get with a buddy and do some knife sparring as well. You can use rubber or hard foam training knives along with some eye goggles. Knife sparring will work on your timing and reflexes. Also do some scenario training and deploying the knife under stress drills. This will make your knife skills alot better and won't cost you much but time and sweat
 

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But back on subject...

I agree with Black Knife. In my opinion any weapon you carry, you should have some sort or training with or its pretty much worthless. What good is it if you don't know how to use it? At the very least maybe practice drawing and opening the knife. A task as simple as retrieving something from your pocket can be very difficult under elevated stress/adrenaline levels.

And for the sake of people who maybe don't have access to anywhere to receive training. Can anyone recommend any good videos or books on the subject?
 

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Hey guys, I missed the heated part but this sounds like a serious thread.

Recommendations- MBC by Mike Janich is pretty nice very simple and to the point. Also i have heard that Kelly McCann is pretty good, his H2H is decent.

So you know I have 20+ years in MA, i am blessed that i have not had to use my training in the street. I am a leo and it does come in handy, i train under my father who has 50+ in and was Spec Ops in the early 60s and had multiple H2H confrontations, he is a walking weapon.

I train mainly in Aikido/Aikijujitsu/kyusho/ and japanese jujitsu, I have done knife training and agree all around that what you carry you should train with.

I have done other arts including some kali/escrima and grappling

If you want good training look for some of the less "flashy" arts in the knife realm. I think black knife can agree that escrima is a great art-BUT takes much longer to learn and become good at than something that is basic gross motor skills, and with anything practice makes perfect,


Agreed knife sparring is a must! Situational is good too you will never know all scenarios because they are all different but a few good examples never hurt.

Thanks for reading!
 

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Hey guys, I missed the heated part but this sounds like a serious thread.

Recommendations- MBC by Mike Janich is pretty nice very simple and to the point. Also i have heard that Kelly McCann is pretty good, his H2H is decent.

So you know I have 20+ years in MA, i am blessed that i have not had to use my training in the street. I am a leo and it does come in handy, i train under my father who has 50+ in and was Spec Ops in the early 60s and had multiple H2H confrontations, he is a walking weapon.

I train mainly in Aikido/Aikijujitsu/kyusho/ and japanese jujitsu, I have done knife training and agree all around that what you carry you should train with.

I have done other arts including some kali/escrima and grappling

If you want good training look for some of the less "flashy" arts in the knife realm. I think black knife can agree that escrima is a great art-BUT takes much longer to learn and become good at than something that is basic gross motor skills, and with anything practice makes perfect,


Agreed knife sparring is a must! Situational is good too you will never know all scenarios because they are all different but a few good examples never hurt.

Thanks for reading!
I agree with you and I also recommend Michael Janich's material but not so much on Kelly McCann. I myself teach my guys very basic knife fighting....I got rid of the flashy stuff and just kept with the basics along with alot of knife sparring....K.I.S.S is the best way to go...
 

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Hey guys, excuse me, but how in the world do you go through 100 street fights without winding up in jail or dead; unless of course you are LE?

These claims don't pass my sniff test, but I'm willing to hear how it happened and find out why I'm wrong in my assumption.
 

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Hey guys, excuse me, but how in the world do you go through 100 street fights without winding up in jail or dead; unless of course you are LE?

These claims don't pass my sniff test, but I'm willing to hear how it happened and find out why I'm wrong in my assumption.
That's on the low end compared to some people I know. And where I grew up fighting was pretty much a daily thing. Two guys could fight back then and not get thrown in jail. You fought and then shook hands when it was all over or you agreed to do it again later. I have had my brushes with the law but a simple street fight wasnt as big of a deal to them as it is now. So to claim over 100 fights is not unbelievable. Guess a lot of it would depend on where and how you grew up.
 

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let me try to do point this out with out being an A hole, street fights are quick, hit em and go, " threat, response,withdraw" essentially is how i would put it. You only go to jail when you get caught and you only get dead when it's meant to be. Also I don't know your age Hopyard but when my dad was my age (mid 20s) things were way different than they are now, he is 69 now, so we are talking 60s when cops gave you rides home and let you slide on some stuff that you get hammered for today.
 

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Knives are just like firearms, you have to train to use them effectively.
 
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