Nighthawk, they are no good at all. Just bring them in next week and I will dispose of them for you and not charge ya a dime :lol:Originally posted by nighthawk
I\'d like the forums opinion on lasers. I have Crimson trace on my S&w 629 and mu ultralite .357 wheel gun. I love them but I don\'t like the idea of giving myself away with a nice bright laser line, thus I don\'t use one on my 1911.
Lots of changes from 10 years ago.Originally posted by KC135
The IF is knowing the limitations of the laser. There are many. Tried them about 10 years or so ago. Some of the limitations I found or have seen:
Short distance is the rule in most \"unfriendly encounters\", often INSANELY CLOSE! And lasers are brighter than they used to be. Black poodles are not common assailants...Hadda throw that one in...Low light needed. Useless in bright light conditons beyond a short distance. Poor visability with some backgrounds--dark blue is on if memory serves. Some fabrics also tend to absorb the laser. Dot almost disappears on our Black Poodle.
This is a training issue. You don\'t look for the laser dot. Proper presentation of handgun will result in dot being on target. If it has failed or will not be visible, proper presentation brings sights into alignment at eyelevel anyway. You don\'t \"look for the dot\".Looking for the laser and not finding it because of any reason, takes valuable time. Now you must revert to sights...perhaps too late. Target id is still necessary.
Above response still applies to this. Only decision one should be making as handgun is presented is fire/not fire. Definitely NOT which sighting system to use.Decisions..can cost valuable response time. If you have to choose between which of two sights to use, this can take time you may need to move, shoot, save your life.
Crimson Trace LaserGrips address both issues, durability and battery. 4 hours continuous \"on\" time per $4 battery change ($2 if you can buy in military commissaries). Laser is built into right hand grip so durability is not an issue.Last, durability and battery have both been an issue.
As an old guy with eyes that have to be much older than me, wish they were viable. Perhaps someday they will be.
Proper training and practice addresses this. Without training, and without regular and frequent practice of the type most of us don\'t get, we will be lost when the SHTF. If you don\'t train for SHTF you ain\'t prepared. Laser or no laser.Originally posted by Pylon
I\'m not much of a laser fan myself.
When the SHTF, there are gonna be enough things to look at and worry about. No need a extra tiny red dancing dot and trying to find it under extreme stress.
Laser sights get you away from just that sort of thing, you focus on one plane-the \"threat\" plane. No need to shift focus from threat to front sight, alignment of rear sight with front sight etc.I just don\'t like the idea of shifting my focus between the badguy (trying to figure out IF he is a badguy), front sight, backsight, location, concealment/cover, whats behind the target....etc
There are alternative sighting techniques you can use if you prefer, such as sighting along the top of the slide/barrell and sighting through the shape of the back of the slide or cylinder. These can work well in close up situations if practiced properly but practice is the key.Since these events generally happen at night, you might consider keeping up with a flashlight as well.
Of course this could just be me, you could always get those light/laser combo\'s to put on your gun and do a pretty decent job. But i just like the simplicity of no eletronics on my gun, and only having to think about the bare essentials.
Well, depends on actual lighting levels and what is hanging in the air. I often begin my evening practice as the sun is beginning to set. I like to get in an hour or so of good daylight practice with iron sights, then start with the laser when daylight begins to weaken and the dot shows on targets easily.Originally posted by spacemanspiff
someone mentioned not wanting to give away a position via a \'laser line\'?
correct me if i\'m wrong, but isnt that \'line'a hollywood gimmick? the lasers i\'ve seen only have a visible beam when there is something for them to pass through, such as steam, fog, etc.
if the air is clear, you only see the origin and the destination, right?
This is always the point of view expressed by those who have no real experience with good laser sights.personally, i\'d like to have a laser sight on a handgun, but not my carry piece. maybe one that stays at home.
I don\'t think most of the schools allow them. I left my 1911\'s with CTC Lasergips in the bag at Thunder Ranch and shot their class with plain \"vanilla\" Glocks.Originally posted by APachon
nightHawk, so I called up to Front Sight and lasers are not allowed for qual classes such as the CCW class. They would like their incoming students to refrain from using lasers while on the range as well. They have mixed feelings and do see the practicality of them but they obviate the student from learning fundamental mental skills.
Wife and I are coordinating our schedule to take the 2 day handgun course and lasers are frowned upon.
In addition, no certifying instructor in NV is allowed to sign off on a initial or re-qual if the pistol in question is equipped with a Laser sighting acquisition device.
Don\'t tell me you were hunting quail with your .45?!!:O If you were:bowdown:.Originally posted by nighthawk
randyb, that is a good topic. I just bought a Nighthawk Enforcer 1911 with only the front sight with tritium. After initially being sceptical I actually like it better than the front and rear sight being tritium. It forces me to look at the front sight like your supposed to. I noticed I was much more accurate today while quail hunting.