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Ok Guys
I've been thiinking this over, as I drool when I look into the case at over 200 different 45s. :biggrin:
Ok.. I'm considering a Les Baer SRP (Swift Response Pistol ) 4.25" Commander size, Polymer finish with Night sights in 97% finish with case and goodies for 1595.00. (used of course LOL )
I'm sure you 1911 Gurus know much more about this weapon than I do. I'm really thinking of getting it, plus my 15% employeee discount on top of it. (gonna get rid of my Defender if necessary)
Can you tell me the retail, and the pro/cons of it? is a good custom gun better than a out-of-box shooter? I'm thinking that t might also stir up some good info for others to ponder such purchases as well. :biggrin:
 

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i never look at them there too expensive and makes me want I have heard though that Les Baer and Ed Brown Pistols have had problems in sub 5 inch Config's

Again this is just what i read I havent spend that much on one yet
 

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Ahhhhhhhh Great to hear that from you Bud. I'm sure Bumper may have similar info on that gun. :biggrin:
It looks real pretty, but there's a Nighthawk Enforcer Tactical 4.25" there as well.....Used for 1700.00.. O D Green frame with all the goodies as well..I'm still droolin at em all too :biggrin:
 

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Bob - thing I'd be thinking (as, admittedly a non 1911 guru) - is would that expenditure be worthwhile? Are you getting actual value for meney shall we say!

I have spent heavily on some guns so who am I to talk - haha - but do wonder if they are actually worth that.
 

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Hi Chris
That's exactly why I placed the "custom" or "out of the box" shooter question out here. Is it really worth the extra $$ to spend on the weapon? Or is it easier to save your hard earned $$ to plce down on another toy?.......that's exactly what I'm attempting to place in the minds of not only myself, but our other Forumites here. :biggrin:
I too have placed plenty of money on things that wer'nt worth the money. You're not alone when it come to that my friend :biggrin:
While at the shop, I see a lot of lookers, but VERY few handlers of the higher priced 1911s such as I've mentioned above :biggrin:
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Bottom line Bob - often anyways is - do you really WANT it?

I have bought a few items where WANT greatly exceeded need (so what's new LOL!) - but suffice it to say the ''item'' was desirable, for whatever reason! :wink:

Ultimately I think (within our cash constraints) - WANT will usually win! :biggrin:

I do tho also at times wonder - are we spending too much just ''for a name''!
 

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Kimber's super match is carried by pro's who know they can handle any hostage situation. It's shipped with a target (5 holes within an [email protected]) Retail $1986 Dlr$1655 Master Dlr$1461. You can put adjustable night sites on it and a 22 conversion kit.
 

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Kimber's super match is carried by pro's
gunthorp,

Could you elaborate sir?
 

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In my humble opinion, if I could afford one, I would carry it.

Kimber states that "The Super Match II is equally suited for accuracy competition or action shooting, but most are bought for carry due to their reputation for extreme accuracy."

It's a personal issue, but when my eyesight was passable, I carried the Gold Cup that I did most of my shooting with. I switched to the Combat Comander in the 80's because I liked the additional safety of the firing pin block, even though it loads the trigger a tad.

The Schwartz firing pin block system on the Kimber is passively deactivated by the grip safety, and the custom shop sends out a quality gun for a lot less than some of the "name" frames.

I use the term pro to refer to someone who would be able to appreciate the gun's capabilities. I'm sure that would include all present and accounted for.

Gunthorp is sanctioned by the MN Bureau of Criminal Apprehension as an organization to train instructors for the MN permit to carry courses.
 

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Retail Price for the SRP is: $2339.00


Link To Les Baer Web Price Sheet

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Baer S.R.P.© but built on Baer's 1911 NM frame. It's every bit as dependable a performer as the original high capacity S.R.P. but it offers the traditional 1911 frame still favored by many. Features include:

Baer steel NM frame • Baer steel NM slide with front and rear serrations • Slide fitted to frame • Baer NM barrel with stainless match bushing • Baer deluxe fixed combat sight • Baer dovetail ramp type front sight • Lowered and flared ejection port • Baer checkered slide stop • Baer extended ejector • Baer tactical style ambi safety • Baer match trigger • Baer checkered flat mainspring housing • Checkered front strap @ 30 lpi • Fitted and tuned extractor • Beveled mag well • Complete tactical action job • Baer beavertail safety with pad • Baer deluxe Commander hammer and sear • Tritium night sights installed front and rear • Deburred for tactical carry • Special Poly Ceramic Alloy Coating on complete pistol for maximum corrosion resistance • Baer Premium Checkered Cocobolo grips • Tuned for total reliability • Test fired with Federal 230 grain Hydra-Shok ammo and Remington Sabre 230 grain H.P. ammo and guaranteed to shoot 21/2" groups at 50 yards • (3) 8-round premium magazines
• Special wooden presentation box

Suprised to hear about a Les Baer with reliability issues since they are all test fired before they get sent out. That's strange.
 

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OR------- you could keep sniffin' around KTP til you found a 1911 frame or complete weapon that was a "sweet deal" and take it to one of the great 1911 smiths and get built what (exactly what) you want in a carry weapon. Buy for $400 or so then $1200 into it. You will have what you want. OR-------just buy a Kimber. Gunthorp,I'd almost be willing to betcha that in a Ransom Rest,my Ultra CDP II would shoot 2" at 25. It's alot more accurate than I am. Sometimes I feel sorry for it. With not gettin' a more accurate owner and all.-----------
 

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gunthorp,

Thank you, I'm familiar with the Colt-Schwartz safety and the Colt Series 80 FPS.

I thought you were meaning you knew of specific organizations that were equipped with the Super Match II.
 

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My pin shooting buddies tell me that if you buy a 1911, expect to spend about a grand to get it reliable, accurate, etc. "You can either buy a nice 1911 for a grand, or buy a cheaper one and spend the additional money." The Les Baur's are phenomenally tight, accurate and reliable with quality ammo. Wonderful triggers. Very expensive, but much cheaper than the true custom houses. I'm looking at Kimbers, but only saving a couple hundred dollars for an equivalent.
 

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expect to spend about a grand to get it reliable, accurate, etc.
Their referring to "game" guns I assume?
 

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Sorry, OD, I can't speak of any organizations that will issue the Super Match. If you know of one, where does the line start? The Ultra CDP is 25 oz, 3", Meprolights, melted, and reliable for a lot less (M Dlr = $864.) At 10 yds it clover leafs if I haven't had any coffee for a few hours prior. Shame, it's too pretty to go out with the likes of me. The Tacoma PD issues the Pro Carry. THAT'S my next, if I could only wear out this nickleodeon CC.

Nevertheless, RSSZ, you're definitely a Kimber Master Owner!

Hey, I got it. OD, for a small weekly payroll deduction, Gunthorp Staff will all be required to carry the Super Match! There's the organization. Now to talk to the bookkeeper. :eek:
 

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Hmmmmmmmm..(thinking here) now, we've got a great threaqd going here, with all the plusses and minusses of the customs vs the out-of box guns. I also saw a 98% finish Kimber Pro CDP II for 825.00 (minus my 15% discount and no sales tax)...the CDP looks great as well. I keep droolin on the glass at KTP, and it's getting VERY difficult as I'm drawn to the case. Ohhh, BTW, that Glock 29 in 10MM I bought NEW.well I took it apart and as I put it back together, SNAP went the recoil rod wafer and the split recoil rod. (thinking back) now I remember why I never bought new guns for almost 20 yrs. I'd rather let somebody else work out the bugs in it before I got their trade-in gun. I also wrote up my range report in my prior thread on that G29 with the 357 Sig BBl.
Let's here some more opinions on pros and cons of the Customs vs the out-of- boxers (no pun intended)
 

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Let's here some more opinions on pros and cons of the Customs vs the out-of- boxers
Bob - I am not a great fan of customs - partly I guess cos of cost - plus I am not sure always that a ''tricked out'' gun will by default work 100%. I hear stories all the time of the odd Kimber or Springer that is a lemon (seemingly). Plus - my P12-45 is a dog!

I tend to go std issue NIB - or good used std issue - and will then if I feel the need, add a 'this' or a 'that' to suit my lil' heart's desire :wink:

I like a good used gun (should have Gary's SIG 220 in a day or two) - but also have bought new if a proven platform - SIG 226 ST was NIB - and tho costly was a satisfactory purchase.

So overall - I do not seek a ''custom'' - because often seems too much money for not enough perceived value!
 

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You're really lucky. You get to spend some time holding them...and a discount! So hold em all, for as long as you can get away with. Notice the weight, size, sharp edges, controls, try the triggers. There will be one that you just can't put down. The rest comes at the range. Unless things don't work right, the gun will teach you how to shoot it. (I can't help myself...mmm Pro CDP)
 

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http://www.stiguns.com/

I got my BLS's. Haven't had a chance for more than 1 box through each, but for the first 50 rounds.......OOoooooooooohhhh! :biggrin:

If you want the .45, go to "Complete Guns", and check out the Trojan and Lawman single stacks. STI customer service is excellent! Mike Chasse of www.thundermountaincustomrifle.com is the Master Dealer I bought from. His prices are likely to be a bit less than MSRP. (They were on my BLS buy) :cool:
 

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Thanks for the input Rob, :biggrin: unfortunatly, I've noticed the same STI Ranger in the case for almost three years now. It's at 750.00 used. I've also noticed, that we have 5 Les Baers, 4 Wilson combats, 1 Nighthawk Enforcer, and lots of Caspians, including the Caspian/Colt conversions. Surprisingly enough, the Kimber line doesn't move as fast as I thought it did, mainly due to Ma residents not being able to purchase them, due to resitrictions in their State. What I'm really wonderingis, why these guns don't seem to go, as they're really great quality items. Is it maybe because people don't have the money? Or maybe the traffic isn't there? Nope, I don't think so, as we're the largest store on the East Coast. I really think, maybe in peoples' minds, that they don't want to take a chance and get a big buck piece of fruit? The Para line doesn't sell either. The Springfield, Sig, S&W, and of course Colt lines DO sell. (both new or used) :biggrin:
Don't get me wrong here, as I do own many 1911 types, and quite a few other customs in different calibers. Just attempting to place food for thought in any of our Forumite's next prospective purchase.
What would YOUR next 1911 purchase be? is it based on cost? Specs? efficiency? size? weights? options?
Let's stir up some good ideas, based on what everybody percieves as their ultimate CCW. In a 45 ACP of course :biggrin:
 
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