[Euclidean]

Let me tell you what I hate.

I hate it when you go to the movies and you see a bunch of people who are supposed to be regular joes running around with MP5's and Uzis and M4's and ridiculous plastic shells that couldn't possibly be real guns.

That's one reason I liked Dawn of the Dead so much. The people were armed with pump shotguns, bolt action rifles, a few revolvers, and a couple of service pistols. Granted some of the things they do with those guns are absurd, but at least their guns are realistic, not to mention they actually have to conserve their ammunition.

There's so many lame cliches in the movies about guns. Civilians apparently flock to M16s. No, they have AR-15s. In fact more civilians have a lever action .30-30, Ruger Mini 14, or an SKS.

You can take a gun away from anyone with ease. Three men armed with rifles are no match for a determined 22 year old girl who kicks real high.

The guy with the revolver always dies and hears "click" after three shots, while the gleaming silver pistols of Antonio Banderas can fire 300 rounds without reloading.

Oh, and when he does reload, time goes into slow motion as everyone watches the magazine fall to the earth dramatically.

And of course sub machine guns, wait what the heck is a submachine gun exactly anyway, are in plentiful supply and are best wielded one in each hand on a constant full auto spray. Never mind the concept of a controlled burst.

And of course no one cocks their gun ahead of time. They walk around in Israeli condition and wait for dramatic moments so they can make that cool sound.

 

[JT]

One of the worst I remember was a movie with “tough-guy” rolleyes Christian Slater in it that I can’t remember the name of. He had a 12 gauge short-barreled pump shotgun with a pistol grip. He was firing it one handed with no noticeable muzzle flip or kick.

 

[QKShooter]

Euclidean

You Said:
"That's one reason I liked Dawn of the Dead so much."
And...I though I was the only person on Earth that actually LIKED that movie!

 

[P95Carry]

My dear wife braces herself when we watch a movie with guns and shooting. yep - you got it - she knows I will be interjecting every so often with - ''Ha - that was 13 rounds outa that revo'' ..... ''Darned mag on that HP5 must be a 120 rounder'' .... ''that 1911 is clever - concealing 15 rounds'' .. all this and recoil is non-existent.

Oh and - don't start me off on the ''hit by 12G - shoved back 20 yards''!! LOL

I must say tho - whilst now it is commonplace - I remember the first movie which had the sounds of brass hittin' the floor - seemed very cool!! :smile:

 

[Bud White]

If it wasnt so exciting and non lifelike no one would go to the movie

 

[The Tourist]

For as panned as the movie was, I think "The Last Action Hero" demonstrated this concept.

The hero carries a Dessert Eagle, you can wipe off tar with a damp hankie, anything you need easily falls to hand (Dad, I just happen to have a set of spare clothes in my truck!"), mortal wounds can be fixed by an EMS, four beautiful models work at an entry level job in a record store, etc.

I got my nose out of joint a few weeks ago over this very issue. Despite these ridiculous theatrical stereotypes, the image of a biker is pretty much the same as it always has been.

A college educated Christian biker can even start a war of words although tens of thousands of CMA club riders live throughout the United States.

I work part-time with a retired police officer. He reminds me that most of the guys on NYPD Blue, if they were real officers, would be fired almost immediately. And that while DNA results can be produced within minutes on TV, sometimes it takes several weeks.

Even I've noticed that as simple lands and grooves line up on TV dramas, signifying only that they were fired from the same model of a firearms maker's product, the results are chararterized as an instant match to the villian's pistol.

I wish Noah Wyle would have done my colonoscopy. He'd have checked my eyes with a penlight, felt my thyroid and magically produced the proper prescription drug out of his pocket. Then I could have walked out of the hospital without paying my invoice.

 

[Lawrence Keeney]

I saw a movie in the middle of the night the other evening where someone shot a Glock dry and you could see him trying to shoot more with the slide forward and hearing "click click."

Man, it really ruins it for me...

 

[CLASS3NH]

Oh Mannnnnn I love watching those movies!! Die Hard series where Bruce Willis never changes mags in his MP5... <groan> The movie True Lies was a good one, lotta shoot-em-ups in that one, plus few reloads ..The movie Preditor was a great one, though if you remember the scene where they're cutting down the jungle.after Jessie Ventura gets killed and they begin spraying the heck out of the jungle... they are actually having a live fire excersise. They have a GE Mini off camera that is cutting the jungle, BUT if you look closly and run the tape in slow mo....the BBl of the GE Mini in the movie is firing every second to third chamber.. and PLEASE don't get me started on the endless supply of ammo coming from those MAC 10's and UZIS LMAO Either way, lotsa fun to look at but we, as real gunners know about the Hollywood screwups on the screen :biggrin:

 

[JT]

On this week’s episode of Lost, one of the characters was pointing a gun at another character. At one point you here him cock the gun for emphasis (as you so often see in movies). The problem was, the gun he had was a Glock. I rewound it to watch again. I was proud of wife, because she knew what was wrong with out me having to say a word.

 

[Bud White]

Ny fav is when you see someoen with culinder open on a revolver and they spin in and it starts clicking then they flick the wrist to close it ... Im mad none of my wheelies do that

 

[rocky]

My girlfriend even points out the gun inconsitancies when we watch movies or T.V. So much B.S. , I have seen very few realistic portrayals of gun handling and usage. 30 rnds. dumps at full auto in a really short time!

 

[CLASS3NH]

I've also noticed a few times, when going to a couple of large gun shops, and also working a few of them as well, the types of people who come in. I once had a guy, that was looking at a couple of Colt and Smith revolvers. I opened the cylider and reversed the weapon toward him in order to show him it was not loaed, and out of courtisy (sp). He then took it, and quickly "snapped " the cyliner into place via one hand. I quickly informed him that doing so may in twist the crane of the weapon. and it was not good practice to do so. he then quickly attempted to hand the weapon back to me, via a closed cylinder. I refused to take it without opening the cylinder and showing me the courtisy (sp) in return. He placed it on the counter and walked away. he came back into the store a couple times again, and asked me to show him other weapons. I refused, and told him he'd best learn handgun safety before he asked again. I never did see him again, but it REALLY ticked me off with his behavior. So much for movies and TV shows

 

[Euclidean]

You know what Class3...

When someone hands me a cleared weapon butt first I return a cleared weapon butt first.

When someone hands me a weapon with a closed action muzzle first, I return it the same way.

I've learn to expect most gun store employees will not properly clear it first. They're worst about semiautomatics. Sure they open the chamber but they fail to eject the magazine first.

I also hate how they have nothing to point it at.

I love gun stores but they really make me nervous sometimes.

 

[Team American]

Euclidean, have you seen

Sin City, yet? Lots of good gun action, and a story line that a "Dawn of the Dead" fan can appreciate :biggrin:

 

[The Tourist]

Well, I just figured out a great 'turn-a-bout' way to learn everything these is to know concerning those who swear "death is my life."

Since many of these mall ninjas learn so much from biker movies, I'm going to go see 'Kung Fu Hustle.' (I was disappointed already to learn that there is no spicy chicken in this cinematic extravaganza.)

That way when I get sniped at I can say, "Well, I know everything about you, too, I saw 'Hustle'..."

I've always suspected that stunt people were better fighters, anyway.

 

[CLASS3NH]

I know what you mean Euc...
"When someone hands me a cleared weapon butt first I return a cleared weapon butt first"
I'm that type of guy who respects your safety, as you do mine. That's why we clear the weapon, either by opening the cylinder, or clear the weapon and drop the mag, look inside then then hand the weapon, butt first. It's the correct thing to do. It's also common courtousy to do that :biggrin:
I think that some of the Movie watchers think they know how to handle a weapon, by the way they see it on the silver screen. I just love seeing Sly Stalone handle that M60 with one arm. LOL...Gawwwwd, I tried that once with my Maramont.. darn near gave me a double hernia!! The Uzi's a lot of fun one-handed, but still needs control :biggrin:

 

[rfurtkamp]

I've learn to expect most gun store employees will not properly clear it first. They're worst about semiautomatics. Sure they open the chamber but they fail to eject the magazine first.

No need if you can visually inspect the magazine in the same step as checking the chamber.

 

[Euclidean]

Ever seen that video of the DEA agent shooting himself?

I want the magazine removed first. I don't want to be that guy.

Besides, I like to see the magazine, and load it and eject it once or twice to see how smooth it is.

My personal habit has always been to drop the magazine and then clear the chamber, and hand the firearm over butt first with the slide locked back.

That way I have triple redundant safety of a sort, and it sets it up to let the other person play with the controls.

 

[cls12vg30]

Dawn of the Dead is GREAT. My favorite parts are in the beginning when the S is H'ing TF (all the car wrecks, explosions, etc.), and when they are playing "Hollywood Squares" from the rooftops.

I haven't watched in in awhile, can't remember most of the characters names, but for the most part I found the gun choices relatively appropriate, that "gangsta" guy with the chrome Beretta 92 (although a Bryco might have been more believeable, he wouldn't have been caught dead with anything non-chrome). What I found less believable was the mall security guys being armed at all.

I never saw that second "Charlie's Angels" flick, thank God, but I rememer seing the previews with Demi Moore firing a gold Desert Eagle in each hand. That was just waay too much. It's bad enough that they want me to believe that anyone could do that effectively, but a slightly-built woman? And they way they shot it, those DE's looked even bigger than they really are.

 

[grnzbra]

:AR15firin I liked the shootout in Heat. :AR15firin Reloads. :AR15firin Use of cover. :AR15firin Fire and move. :AR15firin I especially liked the way Val Kilmer didn't hesitate. :AR15firin As soon as he saw Pachino and company, he was launching lead. :AR15firin The one thing I didn't like was when the police shot out the tire in the getaway car, there was a big flash in the wheel well. (is there anything in the front wheelwell of a car that would do that if struck by a bullet?). :AR15firin Liked the sound of the bullets hitting the car bodies. :AR15firin

Of course, the scene where Pachino killed DeNiro was a little much. I would not have expected DeNiro, who seemed like the kind of guy who covered all risks (remember the money drop at the drive-in theater?) to just step clear of the blockhouse to take the shot at Pachino. Pachino should have had no chance of surviving that exchange. He wouldn't have seen DeNiro's shadow and if he had, he would not have had nicely backlit target at which to shoot. If DeNiro had taken the shot from a kneeling position with just the minimum amount of himself exposed that was necessary to take the shot, Pachino would still be standing there today, wondering where DeNiro was.