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Ok, A couple months ago I bought a new house in a nice upscale neighborhood. The house is wonderful and everything is going great untill a neighbor a few houses down introduced himself. I said hello he went on his way since then everytime he see's me outside he comes over ( can never stand still, talking about his criminal past ) this "john doe" was convicted of murder years ago and did 25 years. Also claims to be part of some groups that i wont mention. Anyway whenever he comes over I blow him off, I recently told him to stop coming over so often and he didnt listen still comes over. I have told him 3 or 4 times to stop coming over, he keeps knocking it's to the point its obsessive and harrasing. Since he don't get the point i have started to not even answer the door. the other day he knocked and knocked and i didnt answer so he started peeking in my window to see if i was ignoring him which really made me feel uneasy. He has come over 4 or 5 times since then and I will not answer the door. I am concerned for my familys safety due to him being a criminal and self proclaimed meth addict/cook so i put a security system in my home. none the less he keeps coming over and knocking and I keep ignoring. Today he came over and knocked i looked out my second story and he was standing there with a ski mask on his face ( i told my family to go upstairs to the bedroom and I went downstairs with a glock 23 as primary and Kahr cw9 as secondary. My question is does anyone know OHIO LAW if he were to come into my house or my detached garage and I would have to protect my family God forbid? I have been keeping a log of everything that is happening. Everytime he is coming over and everytime I ignore him etc, but it seems the past week things have went from bad to worse and I can see them progressivly getting worse. so once again my main question is Ohio Law and what I can or can not do if something were to happen in my house or on my property.

Not to mention there is a book and lifetime movie ( true crime story ) that he is a part of. i will not discolose publicly but if you want to read a good book pm me and I will give you the title.
thanks for your insight.
 

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Start carrying your gun on your person AT ALL TIMES. Call the police and have a trespass warrant (or whatever they call it there) signed on him. Puts him on notice. Next time he comes on your property, he goes to jail, does not pass go, etc.

In all states, you can use deadly force to defend your life or your families lives. In some states you can defend your property. Check the OH gun laws.
 

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I wonder if you get a trespass charge against him? Restraining order? Talk to the police and a lawyer. Maybe this guy could go back to prison?
 

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Dang. Sorry for what is happening. Here are a few things I would do, not that I am the end all.

1. ALWAYS HAVE A FIREARM ON YOU. Even in your own house. You cannot trust this man.

2. Call the police and report it. Talk to someone and ask him what you can do.

3. If you can, set up a camera system to document what he is doing. Then take it to the police and show them. Have them give him a talking to.

4. ALWAYS HAVE A FIREARM ON YOU.

5. Tell him again to please leave you alone.

6. Talk to the other neighbors about him and find out what kind of interaction they have had with him.

and finally

7. ALWAYS HAVE A FIREARM ON YOU.

Good luck.
 

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He's got to be on some sort of parole or something. I keep all my doors and windows locked. If someone enters my house while I am home by means other than me opening the door for them, they will be shot dead, no questions asked.
 

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1- Call and report him to the police
2- Try to get a restraining order
3- Stay armed and alert
 

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check this site...

Handgunlaw.us

But the short answer is yes. Ohio uses the "castle doctrine" since 2008.
"2307.601 No duty to retreat in residence or vehicle." Of course you must believe that yours or your families fear for their lives. But thats a given... hard to prove what you felt at the time was anything BUT what "YOU" felt.
 

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Trespass notice...firearm on person...trespass notice...firearm on person...trespass notice...firearm on person...you get the idea.:comeandgetsome::comeandgetsome:(Make a paper trail...NOW!)

Do it now, this guy sounds like an accident looking for a place to happen.:yup:
 

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Yes I have had this discussion with my wife, I told her no matter where she goes in the house she needs her firearm on her. Even if it's to the bathroom and I keep mine on me at all times to, as well as sleep with one next to me.

my major concern is the drug addiction there is no telling what this guy may or may not do if he is on meth or any type of speed. He is origionally from another state and he has come to Ohio to live with some family because apparently if he stayed he would face a maxed out penality if he did anything wrong. I think that I am going to call monday morning and get a restraining order, fact of the matter is it sucks that I feel like a prisioner in my own home. Especially being a new home that we have not even settled down in yet. My wife is a wreck and kids are scared on the rare occasion that I make them go upstairs ( sad thing is i have not even went into depth about this guy or background which is even more scary that you know he lives a couple hundred yards away )
 

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Ok, he won't listen, is a convicted felon, and has admitted to being on an cooking crack or meth or whatever.

You haven't called the cops yet and reported it? You hide in your house hoping he will go away when he continually knocks on your door and peeks into your windows? He comes over with a ski mask on while knocking on your door and remains in your front yard, yet you still don't call the cops.

I agree, keep a firearm on you, regardless if you have nutty neighbors, but there are some things that aren't adding up in this scenario.
 

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First, contact LEO and make a formal harassment complaint. If this person is telling you the truth about his past...he has a parole officer and he/she will be notified. The PO will take care of everything because this person is OWNED by his PO.

Oh yeah...stay armed!!
 

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He's going to the point of continually coming onto your property, doing so in spite of your warnings to not come, and doing so with his face covered with a ski mask?

Time to get the police involved. If they know of his past, which you appear to, then they'll have an idea of whether there is anything official they can do to force this guy to leave you alone.

Document each and every situation, each and every contact. Document how he appeared, smelled, what he said, what he did, where he went on your property, behaviors you noticed, how long he was there, how many times he returned, etc. Get what you can, audio/video. Post warnings on the property such that folks are well notified they're being monitored/recorded by coming onto your property, thus agreement to come onto your property constitutes agreement to the "terms" you've specified (ie, being recorded, though check with your attorney on this one). The more you can document, the more force it's going to have when presented to the bumpkins charged with monitoring his future transgressions (which this absolutely is). He's blowing sideways, but slowly enough you can hopefully get it under control. SO FAR, at least, y'all have not been harmed. But I'd say it's fairly clear that the day is coming, and coming soon, when you're going to be harmed. He's focusing on you and yours. Time to fix that. Now.

Time to go armed, 100% of the time. Time to double-check your security preparations, again, and specifically your perimeter strength. Is there any way you can force people off the street to be unable to come onto the property (ie, via strong/tall fencing around the property)?

Consider a remote monitoring system. Consider temporarily moving elsewhere, at least until he's penned. You might have just moved in, but you might have little choice given the need to break his knowledge of where you live. Without moving, you're not going to accomplish that.

Until he's corralled, you have a serious problem. A self-admitted former murderer who has a "thing" for you, your family and your property.

YOU ARE BEING THREATENED. Do not forget that. Do NOT let the bumpkins fail to realize that.

Keep in mind: whatever you do, he'll know you've been the cause of his woes. Think about that, and about how he'll feel after he realizes you've "done" those things to him (ie, restraining order, gotten the police involved, gotten a couple dogs, gotten him evicted, whatever). Your goal is to gain the upper hand (for your own safety), but he's not going to like that. CAUTION.
 

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The reason I have not called the cops yet is due to the fact he is a convicted Murder'er. I am worried that if the police do not do anything in this situation accept tell him to stay away that he will try to do something to my family.

In the state of Ohio this is all considered "hear say" which means that if they dont see it then they don't arrest unless of course I get a restraining order and he breaks the order, then what are the consequences, he goes to jail for a couple nights and gets out and then wants to come over and do some payback. I hope that you are not questioning my integrity or my morals this is not the isuue, the issue is that I am thinking ahead about the safety of myself and my children, do you understand why I have been keeping a log and have not called the police yet, I am trying to research about what rights I have and what I can do that will allow me to use the police to make him stop but that will not harm me 3 days from now or whenever he gets bailed out
 

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I'm the shy bashful type. I would have told this guy straight-up on day-one, I don't do drugs, I don't like criminals, I don't hang around with either one, go away and don't come back.
Maybe it's time for you to have the same talk with him, along with a complete paper trail documenting all of the events along the way, keep one for your records and speak with someone at the local PD, his probation/parole officer and make them aware of his persistence.
Carry everywhere you legally can, do not answer the door, make the family and trusted neighbors aware of what is going on, and if he screws up, well remember, it's you and yours first.
 

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point taken ccw9mm this is the exact reason I have not acted as of yet. I am walking on egg shells and I feel that no matter what I do I am not going to be looking at a good situation. thanks for understanding where I am coming from
 

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The reason I have not called the cops yet is due to the fact he is a convicted Murder'er.
How do you know this? Because he has claimed it?

The only way you're going to know for fact is if you report the harassment.

The only way you're going to get the harassment to stop is if you get forceful authorities involved who can, hopefully, use his past criminal history as a lever arm to force him elsewhere, or at least to behave.

The ONLY way you're going to get outside this guy's sphere of influence is if your new digs ends up somewhere else, where he cannot find you. At the moment, he knows where you life. At the moment, you're under threat. Playing some sort of waiting/watching/worrying game will not solve the problem. This problem will not simply evaporate and go away. PROTECT your family, first and foremost. It might cost you some. It might cost you to find another temporary living situation, at least for them (perhaps with family, in town). But at least they'll be safe.

point taken ccw9mm this is the exact reason I have not acted as of yet. I am walking on egg shells and I feel that no matter what I do I am not going to be looking at a good situation. thanks for understanding where I am coming from
You're right. No choice except ejecting is going to keep him from you and your family. No reason to be "on egg shells" about it. That's what it is. If you legitimately fear this guy's actions, words and apparent willingness to come after you and yours, then you must consider taking all possible steps to protect them. And, by that, I do not mean silly paperwork that will just anger the man. I mean actual, practical steps that will keep him from you, such leaving that home temporarily, with possibly selling it or his ultimate imprisonment on some parole violation.

Now, all of this being said, I am NOT suggesting that leaving, selling are your first options. (For those who would take it that way, I am NOT suggesting those as first options.) But, until you get a handle on this, you've got an active harasser of you and yours, on your property, and that person has claimed a murderous past. Take what immediate steps you need to, in order to protect your family for certain. You'll need to decide how threatening it is, how strong your defenses are, and whether you're able to protect them sufficiently well. Then, find out who this person is. Then, get the authorities to assist in stopping him, which might well precipitate an ugly time with this guy. No telling how it's going to turn out.
 

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Well, what you really need to do is have a criminal background check done on him.

That way you can see exactly what his prior convictions were and check for past drug convictions.

If the guy is a druggie then he may be BSing you on that past "Murder" conviction as a preemptive attempt to try and intimidate drug money out of you at some future point in time. That...and what supposed "organizations" he belongs to may be complete fabrication.

Once you find out what his actual past IS then you'll better know how to exactly proceed.

You're going to have to pay to have that Criminal background check done. Usually somewhere around $50.00

One of our members will be able to point you in the direction of a good background check service.

If you don't want to do it yourself then you can always hire a local Private Detective AKA - Look in your yellow pages for
Private Investigators or....Investigations Public & Private.

Just make sure that you get on good recommendation & with a good rep.

You may want to FIRST call your local Police Dept and ask them for the name of a good Private Investigator.

They may have a good name for you since a lot of retired Police Criminal Investigators go into the private investigations field.

Make sure that you spell out exactly what you want the investigator to do. And get a legal contract in writing with a cost for the investigation so that you don't get raked over the coals on open-ended billable hours.
Hiring a private investigator will cost you more but, you'll usually get more key information.

In the meantime...just keep your guard up.
 

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You haven't called the police yet because he is a convicted murderer? I don't quite grasp that concept. What would make you call the cops, him actually getting into your house or harming someone in your family?

I don't know where you live in Ohio, but if the police had gotten a 911 call with a man is banging on my door and he is wearing a ski mask and won't go away, I would assume that would get fairly quick response from most any law enforcement agency.

Around here leo's get dispatched for suspicious person in the area along with other seemingly minor things. They have banning lists on people from locations in their computer system and violations of such is cause for arrest if I am not mistaken. I certainly hope your waiting and documenting game don't cost you anything more than some sleepless night until you decide to confront the problem head on. Convicted murderer or not, authorities would be well aware of the situation, and the guy would be leaving me and my family alone
 

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Pm me with the guys name/address/other...I will run a lexis background check on him.
 

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Restraining orders will get the attention of some guys and they'll back off. Others will become enraged. Be prepared for the latter.

If possible, find out when they will serve him. If it's when your family will be home without you, take some time off work and be there.

I suggest doing some quick hardening of your home by getting one of those door braces that Lowe's sells. It wedges under your front door knob and braces to the floor, making your door much harder to be kicked in. It's about $18 and is adjustable to fit any door.

Being armed always goes without saying, including for your wife. It's go-time, and no time for her to be squeamish about carrying a gun.

I would be armed as I am in the street, with gun, back-up gun, knife (or knives), flashlight, and OC spray.

I use a tiny night-light at the far end of our ranch house. It's very low wattage, but it lights up the kitchen, dining room, living room, and front foyer area. If someone comes into the house, I can stand at the hallway leading to our bedrooms and they will be backlit no matter where they are.

The flashlight is in case he unplugs the light.

Another time to be especially careful is when you leave or enter the garage by car. As you are leaving, he could be standing next to your window as you back out. If that happens, you need a gun in your hand, not buried in your clothing or a holster somewhere.

As you leave, also watch to make sure he doesn't slip in under the garage door and hide behind any other vehicles in your garage before you shut the garage door.

As you return home, same thing: you need a gun in your hand or immediate access to one. Same thing about watching to make sure he doesn't slip in as you lower the garage door. And lower it as soon as your car gets inside: don't sit there and gather your stuff while the garage door remains open.

No telling how this guy will react, but if I had to guess, I'd expect the worst, and try to prepare.

Any place you can send your family for a few days, like relatives, friends, or even a hotel? That may sound dramatic to some, but this guy sounds psycho.

If I was in your situation and only had one gun, I'd go buy another, maybe even a shotgun, even if I had to put it on a credit card.

He's not right, and the ski mask makes it even worse.

Are you capable of pulling the trigger, perhaps multiple times, to protect your family or yourself?

No need to answer here on a public forum, and I would even suggest you don't answer, but you need to know the answer to that question before you are facing him in your living room after he kicks your door down. That isn't the time to hesitate or have the debate within yourself.

There is a confrontation coming. Make it on your terms, and do whatever it takes to keep you and your family safe.
 
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