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A few months ago, my daughter began being stalked by a guy she dated 15 yrs ago. He ditched her back then and in the interim since then had been married three times and has children with two of the ladies. He lives with his parents.

She built her a new home in a gated subdivision and he found out about it. It got to where he was sitting outside her garage door when she would leave home and was knocking on her front door if he could get in the gates at night.

The man has a bad temper and has been in trouble for beating women.

My daughter is an experienced shooter, having shot often since she was about nine years old. Yet in the last several years, she has not been shooting due to college, horses and work. Too many things to do and not enough time. Well, she came to my house (1/4 mile away) and got one of my S&W 357 mags to take home for protection. The guy learned her home had a security alarm and she had a gun. He still persisted in being there and wanting inside. She made sure he did not get in.

OK, now to the issue. The daughter loves the color pink. Her shooting glasses are pink as are all her other accessories. So when I found a pink gun in 9mm, I bought it for her. It is a DIamondBack. Very light weight. I took her to the range so she could shoot it. She could already work it well, disassemble it and such. I test fired the gun and it has some stout recoil. She fired it and her hands looked like they had been sanded with concrete. Her trigger finger was slightly bleeding from the recoil causing her finger to hit the trigger guard.

I took over with the gun and fired another 40 rounds and it still was kicking back. Daughter now refuses to shoot the gun. A lady asked if she could borrow it for a concealed permit class. She fired it once and borrowed another gun to finish the class with.

So I am out $400 for a gun that nobody wants to fire other than myself and I admit it is a handful. Accurate, lightweight, concealable but do not buy one unless you are giving it to King Kong.

I got my .357 back from the daughter and let her have a 5906 S&W. I figure I will find one of those for sale some time but I will not buy another gun made by DIamondBack.
 

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As an aside, I would get a restraining order against the guy. I know it's just a piece of paper, but if it comes down to it and she has to defend herself, at least there is a paper trail. My .02
 

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...a Diamondback, on the other hand, would be easy to shoot and quite effective for her...a COLT Diamondback, that is!!!

...hate that the companies take respected names, and ride the reputation earned by them to push guns that don't live up to it...
A few months ago, my daughter began being stalked by a guy she dated 15 yrs ago. He ditched her back then and in the interim since then had been married three times and has children with two of the ladies. He lives with his parents.

She built her a new home in a gated subdivision and he found out about it. It got to where he was sitting outside her garage door when she would leave home and was knocking on her front door if he could get in the gates at night.

The man has a bad temper and has been in trouble for beating women.

My daughter is an experienced shooter, having shot often since she was about nine years old. Yet in the last several years, she has not been shooting due to college, horses and work. Too many things to do and not enough time. Well, she came to my house (1/4 mile away) and got one of my S&W 357 mags to take home for protection. The guy learned her home had a security alarm and she had a gun. He still persisted in being there and wanting inside. She made sure he did not get in.

OK, now to the issue. The daughter loves the color pink. Her shooting glasses are pink as are all her other accessories. So when I found a pink gun in 9mm, I bought it for her. It is a DIamondBack. Very light weight. I took her to the range so she could shoot it. She could already work it well, disassemble it and such. I test fired the gun and it has some stout recoil. She fired it and her hands looked like they had been sanded with concrete. Her trigger finger was slightly bleeding from the recoil causing her finger to hit the trigger guard.

I took over with the gun and fired another 40 rounds and it still was kicking back. Daughter now refuses to shoot the gun. A lady asked if she could borrow it for a concealed permit class. She fired it once and borrowed another gun to finish the class with.

So I am out $400 for a gun that nobody wants to fire other than myself and I admit it is a handful. Accurate, lightweight, concealable but do not buy one unless you are giving it to King Kong.

I got my .357 back from the daughter and let her have a 5906 S&W. I figure I will find one of those for sale some time but I will not buy another gun made by DIamondBack.
 

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OK, now to the issue. The daughter loves the color pink. Her shooting glasses are pink as are all her other accessories. So when I found a pink gun in 9mm, I bought it for her. It is a DIamondBack. Very light weight. I took her to the range so she could shoot it. She could already work it well, disassemble it and such. I test fired the gun and it has some stout recoil. She fired it and her hands looked like they had been sanded with concrete. Her trigger finger was slightly bleeding from the recoil causing her finger to hit the trigger guard.
I must not have read this properly. "The issue" is a $400 pink gun that she can't shoot???? Is this a joke?

The issue should be your daughter's safety and the nutjob that is stalking her. I read this post several times and never once saw anything about calling the police or taking some other action to protect her.
 

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...a Diamondback, on the other hand, would be easy to shoot and quite effective for her...a COLT Diamondback, that is!!!

...hate that the companies take respected names, and ride the reputation earned by them to push guns that don't live up to it...
If I found her a Colt Diamondback, I would buy it for myself. I saw one on a tv news show tonight at a gun dealer in Kaufman TX. Now I am trying to figure when I can go over there to buy it. After all, it is only about 250 miles from me.
 

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I must not have read this properly. "The issue" is a $400 pink gun that she can't shoot???? Is this a joke?

The issue should be your daughter's safety and the nutjob that is stalking her. I read this post several times and never once saw anything about calling the police or taking some other action to protect her.
Steve, I am in law enforcement and we have talked to the division that handles this type matters. They can not do anything until he makes a threat or physically harms her. They have his past history and know he has been charged with DV in the past on three occasions. However, until he actually does something against the law, there is nothing they can do and a Judge will not sign a RO on the guy until violence has taken place.
 

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...cheaper to have him ship it to your FFL...unless you're going horseback...I like the Diamondback better than the Python...snub, of course!!!
If I found her a Colt Diamondback, I would buy it for myself. I saw one on a tv news show tonight at a gun dealer in Kaufman TX. Now I am trying to figure when I can go over there to buy it. After all, it is only about 250 miles from me.
 

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I would have her go to a range that rents guns, let her test some out and get what SHE likes. If she likes the gun she borrowed from you, simply replace it and let her keep it. The gun is replaceable, she's not.

I agree with the paper trail. A restraining order isn't that great IMO for real protection, guys do walk through them, BUT it leaves that paper trail if God forbid push ever comes to bang. Not to mention with one in place anytime she sees him on her front stoop, she calls the law. Maybe an inexpensive camera system that monitors outside or even the hunting cameras that are motion activated and snap a pic when something walks by.

Edited: just saw the OP's reply about the restraining order, and I have heard they're near impossible if there's been no violence. I'd still look into at least a hunting camera.
 

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...betcha there's one overwhelming paper trail waiting for the day, though!!!

Steve, I am in law enforcement and we have talked to the division that handles this type matters. They can not do anything until he makes a threat or physically harms her. They have his past history and know he has been charged with DV in the past on three occasions. However, until he actually does something against the law, there is nothing they can do and a Judge will not sign a RO on the guy until violence has taken place.
 

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I would have her go to a range that rents guns, let her test some out and get what SHE likes. If she likes the gun she borrowed from you, simply replace it and let her keep it. The gun is replaceable, she's not.
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As I stated, she got a 5906 from me and I gave her 100 rounds of the original Black Talon rounds. She loves the way the 5906 feels and she can handle it well. I will let her have the 5906 and will find another to replace it with. I never shoot a 9mm anyway. Those I have are just training tools for new shooters I take to the range.

She is 31 yrs old , 5'7" and 130 pounds so she is not a large girl. Never been married and very independant. She dated some guys as she went through college and now goes out occasionally with some Dr or drug rep that she has to deal with. But she feels she has all she needs and paying for it herself so she is not in a hurry to get married.
 

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...betcha there's one overwhelming paper trail waiting for the day, though!!!
As you may have surmised, there has already been a conversation with the guy that included a few words of wisdom with warning. If something happens, he is going to be very sad for a long time. I took a couple of off duty guys with me as witnesses to what was said.
 

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"Well, she came to my house (1/4 mile away)"

Her living that close gives YOU options and opportunities to help keep her safe.

She doesn't have to stay at her place every night? Maybe some nights you can be at her
place yourself. That'll be a surprise for Romeo.

You can go toward her place before she leaves in the morning and txt message if she can come
outside or not. That also allows you an opportunity to photo his stalking, or to at least honestly witness
it @ any future court proceedings.

You can be waiting nearby when she walks home--- or be the one to enter her apartment first.

I'd start getting very creative about watching out for her safety.

Her ex beau sounds like a loser and a head case. Your diminutive daughter, armed or not, may not be able to keep herself safe.

A gun is the last line of defense, not the first, and no guarantee of nothin'; get moving dahd.
You have a job to do.
 

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"Well, she came to my house (1/4 mile away)"

Her living that close gives YOU options and opportunities to help keep her safe.

She doesn't have to stay at her place every night? Maybe some nights you can be at her
place yourself. That'll be a surprise for Romeo.

You can go toward her place before she leaves in the morning and txt message if she can come
outside or not. That also allows you an opportunity to photo his stalking, or to at least honestly witness
it @ any future court proceedings.

You can be waiting nearby when she walks home--- or be the one to enter her apartment first.

I'd start getting very creative about watching out for her safety.

Her ex beau sounds like a loser and a head case. Your diminutive daughter, armed or not, may not be able to keep herself safe.

A gun is the last line of defense, not the first, and no guarantee of nothin'; get moving dahd.
You have a job to do.


I agree. Since I am on call 24/7, I get to drive past her home on the way out and back in. I also have the code for the gate to the subdivision. She had cameras and lighting all the way around her house. The lights come on just before dark and gives the entire yard enough light to see what is out there. It takes me less than three minutes from the time she calls me to get down there until I am in her driveway.

Even the nut case that is causing the issue knows I am armed if I am dressed. He has also watched me shoot back in 1998 so he likely is thinking about it but he does not use good judgement.
 

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Steve, I am in law enforcement and we have talked to the division that handles this type matters. They can not do anything until he makes a threat or physically harms her. They have his past history and know he has been charged with DV in the past on three occasions. However, until he actually does something against the law, there is nothing they can do and a Judge will not sign a RO on the guy until violence has taken place.
OK -- I really am sorry if I offended you. I have a niece that was in a similar situation. She did get the RO but it wasn't worth the paper it was written on. Maybe you need to spend a few nights at her house? In her case I suggested she get about 5 or 6 of her cousins (all over 6' 4") to visit her ex and explain how things were going to be. They never touched him but it seems he did listen to them.

Ain't the law great? After he harms her (which you know is likely) you can then complain. Small wonder we have millions of us that are sick and tired of what is going on.
 

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OK -- I really am sorry if I offended you. I have a niece that was in a similar situation. She did get the RO but it wasn't worth the paper it was written on. Maybe you need to spend a few nights at her house? In her case I suggested she get about 5 or 6 of her cousins (all over 6' 4") to visit her ex and explain how things were going to be. They never touched him but it seems he did listen to them.

Ain't the law great? After he harms her (which you know is likely) you can then complain. Small wonder we have millions of us that are sick and tired of what is going on.
Steve, it is virtually impossible to offend me. Being in court as often as I am, there is one side that always tries to rile me or make me upset enough for me to lose my cool. Quite the contrary, I enjoy the discourse from those on forums. Often times a person can learn from others. You have not upset me in the least. I also enjoy a good debate on occasion.

Yes, the law falls short in many areas but is too harsh in others. I have a friend that is nearing 40 yrs of age. When he was 18, she went out with a 16 yr old girl. Her parents had him arrested and now he is still a registered sex offender. He has not been in any type trouble in the last 22 yrs but the courts will not drop his status.

In the case of my daughter, if he harms her, I will see that he makes it to the jail house. He might trip and fall a few times or put his leg between the door jamb and door as it was closing a time or two.

I hate to tell the daughter I told her so but back when they were graduating high school, I told her that the boy was bad news and she needed to put distance between them. She thought they would go to college together and maybe get married later. He failed to get into college and began a long history of drinking and chasing women. She concentrated on her studies and he told her she was no fun and did not want to see her again. For years, nothing was heard from him until he learned she was doing well finanically and in her profession.
 

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...never met a man who didn't understand: "Don't START none and there won't BE none..."
Unfortunately I have met a lot of them. Had one man kill three people, one at a time, each after he served time for killing another. He just could not learn. Each time I dealt with the guy, he swore it was not going to be a next time.
 

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As you may have surmised, there has already been a conversation with the guy that included a few words of wisdom with warning. If something happens, he is going to be very sad for a long time. I took a couple of off duty guys with me as witnesses to what was said.
I'm glad you wrote in another post that you aren't easily offended. So, don't take what I am
typing here as offense. Reading between the lines what I am getting is a certain sense of
bravado; something along the lines of I've already talked to him and my boys were with me;
or, above in bold "if something happens .... "

It won't do you any good if he is sad for a long time because you will also be sad for a long time.
Your job here as a dad is to make sure NOTHING happens. I don't mean go beat the crap out of
him first, I mean concentrate on her security and protection. Once something happens it is too
late for everybody, and you won't be getting any joy out of him being sad for a long time.

You already know far better than I do what these nuts are capable of, so watch her and watch yourself too.
 

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...betcha he understood it just fine...just didn't think it applied to HIM...a lot of people out there have a "so what" attitude...they're going to do what they want...no matter the cost...did they give him the death penalty the third time???
 
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