Thanks for the info. I had been itching to get one of these too. Looks like I'll stick with my Seecamp. If you don't mind me asking, what shop do you work at in Houston?Well, I got a big surprise today. I work at a gun shop and we sell the Rohrbaugh R9 pistols. They're very small and slick pocket pistols and very expensive too. Last week 2 different customers brought back their R9's for repair. One had just bought it the day before and the trigger wasn't working, and the other one had had the gun for a while and had shot it quite a bit and was having the same problem with the trigger. They wanted the guns sent back to the factory for repair, which we were glad to do, but we were surprised as they were the first ones we've had come back.
The factory was closed until this week, so we shipped the guns off on Monday, but apparently the owner of the gun who'd had it for a while also called the factory Monday to talk to them about his problem. He told us that he had mentioned to whoever he spoke to at the factory that he had fired 150 rounds through the gun when it stopped working and was told that the gun shouldn't be fired that much as it was meant to be a carry gun and not a regular shooting gun!
To be honest, we assumed that the guy either misunderstood what he was told or outright made it up. It didn't make any sense that a gun that finely made and expensive wasn't made to be shot a lot. Except that today the head of Rohrbaugh, Karl Rohrbaugh, called us about the guns we had sent and during the course of the discussion he confirmed that the gun was not intended to be shot a lot and that 150 rounds was too much. He said that every few months he shoots a magazine full through his gun, cleans and reloads it, then puts it back in his pocket. Of course, he's going to fix the guns and send them back to us, but that still doesn't explain the crazy limitation on shooting.
I certainly don't mean to offend anyone who has or likes the guns, nor am I saying that it's a bad gun, but I thought this information should be shared since nowhere on the company's website does it say anything about this important restriction. Also, I have to admit that I have not read the gun's manual and don't know if this matter is mentioned there, but even if it is it's very likely that a buyer would not see it until after purchasing the gun. I have to say that I'm very surprised and disappointed by the whole matter and I just wanted to pass on the information to anyone interested.
I work at Collectors Firearms. If you've been in Houston long I'm sure you know us. If not you should come by, you'll love it.Thanks for the info. I had been itching to get one of these too. Looks like I'll stick with my Seecamp. If you don't mind me asking, what shop do you work at in Houston?
Thank you DDGator for logic and reasoning minds taking the high ground.I am not sure that I can add anything that hasn't been said, but...
Karl was not saying the life of the gun is 150 rounds. It has a lifetime warranty. I believe he was questioning why you would want to shoot 150 rounds in a session. Karl has always said this is not a range gun, not a plinking gun -- its a speciality hideout gun designed to shoot 9mm in the smallest possible package.
I belt there are a whole lot of Seecamp .380s and S&W 340s that have NEVER had 150 rounds put throught them!
Karl worked for years to get the gun as small as he could, while still being functional. The laws of physics do apply to guns and you can only go so small. That is why Kel-Tec has never made a 9mm the size of the P-3AT that everyone wants -- it can't be done.
To suggest that the R-9 is made from substandard materials is somewhat uninformed. The gun is CNC'ed from quality stainless and aluminum bar stock. There is no plastic, MIM, or cast parts on the gun. The springs are made by Wolff. All parts are hand polished, and hand fit in assembly.
The R-9 has limits because it is so small it is pushing the envelope to contain standard pressure 9mm. People buy them for the size and for the quality. If you have never seen or handled one, you might not appreciate the difference between an R-9 and an NAA Guardian. (Not to knock the Guardian -- but its a different animal).
I believe that the internet perception that there are lots of R-9 failures is simply wrong. Slide cracks, tigger failures, etc. are NOT common in these guns. Many problems are traced to use of +P ammo or not lubing the guns, etc. The fact is that when people aren't happy with a gun, they want to go to the internet and complain. When they are not happy with a $1,000 gun, they want to RUN to the internet and complain.
If the R-9 is not your cup of tea or more than you are willing to pay for a pocket gun--so be it and I have no quarrel with you. But, you are doing yourself a disservice if you dismiss a gun you thought you wanted because of a thread like this on the "error-net." And don't worry about our safety in trusting our lives to the R-9 -- we will be just fine.
Come over to the Rohrbaugh Forum (The Rohrbaugh Forum - Index) and you will find a dedicated group of very knowlegeable and experienced shooters who will give you the straight talk on the gun. The forum is not affiliated with Rohrbaugh Firearms and we will discuss the good, the bad and the ugly.
Not sure I agree with "more reliable." My 2 R-9s have been fully reliable. I am sure some people may want to shoot their guns more and change the springs less, so the R-9 is not for them. But, its a sliding scale. A slightly larger gun will be slightly better. A PM-9 isn't necessarily a great target gun either. But a Glock 19 is good, and a Glock 17 is better.So maybe some would prefer a slightly larger gun and have it be more reliable and durable?
My guess is that the vast majority of people who own a J frame S&W, a Kal-Tec, or other small, lightweight handgun of respectable caliber never put a hundred rounds through the gun. So I can understand Rohrbaugh making the assumption that their guns would see light duty. But that doesn't mean that I agree with the premise. (The gun won't be shot a lot, so it doesn't have to take a lot.)
Personally, I would want to put a couple hundred rounds through any semi-auto pistol just to assure myself that it is sufficiently dependable to be a "carry" gun.
While I have no experience with the Rohrbaugh, I have noted that the company does advise that +P ammo is not to be used in the gun. That gave me cause to pause because the pressure difference in a standard and a +P round is rather small.
Thanks for the heads up. I'm not likely to ever own a Rohrbaugh regardless, but your caveat is good information to be aware of.
I have been seriously considering buying an R9......but no way, not now. So I go buy an over-priced shovel, dig ten holes and it breaks, and the manufacturerer tells me it's only good for three holes and I should only keep the shovel around for when I really need a hole dug? I don't think so, there are too many other shovels that I can buy