Defensive Carry banner

1 - 16 of 16 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,206 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
"Safety tips from police include traveling in groups, parking in lighted areas, carrying a cell phone, avoiding intoxication and not fighting back" STOP! I HAVE A CELL PHONE, AND I AM NOT AFRAID TO USE IT!. Wouldn't I just once love to hear one of these safety tips include, take a situational awareness class, learn how to use a gun, and get a carry permit? These people did at least two of their "tips" to no avail. They traveled in a group and did not fight with their assailants. Didn't seem to help them, did it? :aargh4:


Man shot during Uptown robbery in critical condition
March 19, 2006 – 8:43 PM

A 25-year-old man is in critical condition after he was shot during a robbery late Saturday in Minneapolis' Uptown area.
A 25-year-old man is in critical condition after he was shot during a robbery Saturday in Minneapolis' Uptown area.

Police said the man, whose identity was not released, and his mother, sister and a friend were walking to their car when two men approached them about 9:55 p.m. in the 3100 block of Girard Avenue S. in the Carag neighborhood. The group had just come from a restaurant at Lake Street and Hennepin Avenue.

Police said the suspects demanded the mother's purse. She obliged and there was no struggle or resistance, but one suspect then shot the man, police said.

Inspector Kris Arneson, who oversees the Fifth Precinct where the shooting occurred, said the suspects fled on foot and may have then gotten into a white car. No detailed descriptions of the suspects or car were available.

Police don't know if the robbery is linked to others.

"The situation is grave," Arneson said of the man's condition, adding that it's unusual for robbery suspects to shoot their victims.

Robberies have increased 39 percent citywide in the first 2½ months of 2006 compared with the same time last year, according to statistics released last week. There were 100 robberies reported in the Fifth Precinct this year compared with 60 at this time last year, Arneson said. A robbery task force is investigating the crimes, and patrols have been stepped up, she said.

Safety tips from police include traveling in groups, parking in lighted areas, carrying a cell phone, avoiding intoxication and not fighting back.

Anyone with information about the robbery can call police at 612-692-TIPS.


CHAO XIONG
 

·
1952 - 2006
Joined
·
1,371 Posts
To me the advise that the media and the police generally give that is like this only enhances the 'victim' mentality.

My belief goes along with that from a quote by Jeff Cooper.

"We continue to be exasperated by the view, apparently gaining momentum in certain circles, that armed robbery is okay as long as nobody gets hurt! The proper solution to armed robbery is a dead robber, on the scene".:comeandgetsome:
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
25,483 Posts
"The situation is grave," Arneson said of the man's condition, adding that it's unusual for robbery suspects to shoot their victims.
He must be outa touch with reality then - no way is there any guarantee that compliance is gonna prevent getting shot or stabbed.

Only thing BG's will ever understand is meeting an equal force presentation.

I wish PD's would cut the crap giving this sort of advice. Sure, groups are safer, well lit areas are safer, keeping alert and trying to stay out of trouble helps too. But when the excrement hits the whirly thing , ''yes sir, no sir'' ain't gonna stop a bullet.

The statements labelled ''Police said'' in most cases I am sure come from Chielfs or other ''high-ups'' - the average guy on the beat almost certainly does not live with his head in the sand and knows darned well that folks get shot, just because!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,843 Posts
Several of the higher up LEO's in my area have also publicly stated "don't fight back,just give them what they want,it's not worth it". How totally STOOPID they sound. In the above case ...purse was handed over and man got plugged anyhoo.

Let this be a lesson to us all. Lets all remember this in our training.-------
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,686 Posts
It makes my skin crawl when I hear of these senseless incidents and I totally agree with all of you,... but in all fairness to the victim(s), they were probably very limited on options ??

I mean, I know what "WE" would've done under the same or similiar circumstances. But it's kind of hard to fight fire with fire, when you don't even have a match to burn.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
25,483 Posts
they were probably very limited on options ??
True enough los and sadly so too.

I think the biggest thing that comes out of this tho is the pathetic ''advice'' that gets handed out by Police Chiefs and the like - I mean, it just ain't real world!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
104 Posts
Do I need to remind my fellow Minnesotans that we do indeed have a very robust Carry Permit law?

It might be time to start using it.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
950 Posts
When the bad guy pulls any kind of weapon he is only helping other bad guys because some people are instantly afraid forever. Now it has become a trend of shoot them any way even if they don't resist. So, with that fight back....
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
19,009 Posts
Most folks travel unarmed, so this advice is good..............for them. better for them to take a self defense class or get a CCW permit.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
6,260 Posts
Safety tips from police include traveling in groups,
So the bad guys avoid having to "shop" around for victims and instead do one good score netting a bundle. Sort of Criminal's Costco.

parking in lighted areas,
So the witnesses (if any) can describe to authorities how you got killed.

carrying a cell phone,
Because we all know Criminals freeze at the sight of Nokia.

avoiding intoxication
Yep! An intoxicated victim is annoying. Won't do things fast and probably will puke over the wallet. Criminals do not want stinking money.

and not fighting back.
Just get yourself killed. We need to keep our homicide investigators in overtime.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
791 Posts
P95Carry said:
He must be outa touch with reality then - no way is there any guarantee that compliance is gonna prevent getting shot or stabbed.

Only thing BG's will ever understand is meeting an equal force presentation.

I wish PD's would cut the crap giving this sort of advice. Sure, groups are safer, well lit areas are safer, keeping alert and trying to stay out of trouble helps too. But when the excrement hits the whirly thing , ''yes sir, no sir'' ain't gonna stop a bullet.

The statements labelled ''Police said'' in most cases I am sure come from Chielfs or other ''high-ups'' - the average guy on the beat almost certainly does not live with his head in the sand and knows darned well that folks get shot, just because!
The whole "give in and they won't shoot you" mentality may have been true 15-20 years ago. But not any more.

And I think you are definitely right about the poor advise coming from the Chief's and other politicians in the police organizations. The beat cops seem to be much more realistic.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
24,233 Posts
The statements labelled ''Police said'' in most cases I am sure come from Chielfs or other ''high-ups'' - the average guy on the beat almost certainly does not live with his head in the sand and knows darned well that folks get shot, just because!
A retired LEO I chat with occassionally summed it up "We can't get there fast enough anymore! You need a CC license to protect yourself and those you love."

How sadly true.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
104 Posts
I live close to Minneapolis and the place this happened is the "upscale" part of Uptown. I informed my wife, who is on the fence regarding me carrying a pistol, that if we go to Minneapolis I WILL be armed, period. She said "well we never go there anyway", then she paused and said, "but yes if we go there it would probably be a good idea".

Also, the local news said the victim is not expected to live.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
54 Posts
I was with the police in their advice ... right up until the last. Ask the Brits how well not fighting back has worked for them. Me? If the BG(s) push it they're gonna get 230 grains worth of fight.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,868 Posts
I find it tragically comical that many so-called "self defense" experts quoted in mass media (news, newspapers, etc.) say that taking a martial art, carrying a defensive spray or some other "intermediate" weapon will help you in a bad situation, but then (with the same breath of air), pooh pooh the notion of training with and carrying a firearm......because there is no way you can deploy it in time to help you, people the bad guys are just MUCH better shots or have the element of surprise (that might be true) or because you might hurt someone other than the bad guy with your nasty ol' gun.
 

·
1952 - 2006
Joined
·
1,371 Posts
Well said Miggy. :congrats:

Unfortunately victims are always going to outnumber predators.

The police are going to become more powerless in their ability to stop personal violent crime.

The media will always try to see the sheepdogs the same as they see the predators.

Police Departments are like any other bureaucracy, at the top are people who have no idea what it takes to make things work in the real world, what the guy doing the job has to endure and deal with on a daily basis. Most street cops will tell you, buy a gun, get some training and defend yourself until help can arrive.
 
1 - 16 of 16 Posts
Top