[Mike1956]

Nothing new, to be sure, but noteworthy that the headline here is a blatant lie, as revealed in the story. Yeah, fake news:

"These associations aren’t proof that background checks reduced the risk of school shootings. All they show is a correlation, not a causal relationship.

And even these correlations should be considered preliminary, said study leader Bindu Kalesan, director of the Center for Clinical Translational Epidemiology and Comparative Effectiveness Research at Boston University."

States with background checks for those who buy guns and bullets also have fewer school shootings - LA Times

 

[Rock and Glock]

From LA no less, lies, lies, and more lies are allowed if the goal is worthy.

 

[Illusive Man]

Funny how all the anti-gun reports and stats are done by anti-gun organizations. NONE of it has any credibility. We have no real media publications. Everyone spouts the lies that feed their agenda.

 

[sammeow]

And Chicago is the safest city in the world!!

 

[gnius]

Manipulating data is not even required to come to foregone conclusions.

Example.

1. Measure rate of "gun crime"
2. Create new restrictive law
3. Measure rate of "gun crime" the following year
4.1 If "gun crime" is lower -> conclude that it's due to the success of the law and further restrictions are required
4.2 If "gun crime" is higher or unchanged -> conclude that it's because the law isn't restrictive enough and further restrictions are required
5. Repeat at the next election cycle and/or highly publicized violent event

If anyone tried to publish a scientific paper in a legitimate journal in medicine, biology, chemistry, or physics using the kind of statistics that our media and politicians use to promote their agendas, they'd be laughed at.

 

[DaGunny]

Statistically, 87.382% of all statistical analyses results are either biased towards the researcher's personal beliefs or manipulated to meet an agenda. This is according to my statistical analysis of all statistical analyses. Just sayin'

 

[GraySkies]

Manipulating data is not even required to come to foregone conclusions.

Example.

1. Measure rate of "gun crime"
2. Create new restrictive law
3. Measure rate of "gun crime" the following year
4.1 If "gun crime" is lower -> conclude that it's due to the success of the law and further restrictions are required
4.2 If "gun crime" is higher or unchanged -> conclude that it's because the law isn't restrictive enough and further restrictions are required
5. Repeat at the next election cycle and/or highly publicized violent event

If anyone tried to publish a scientific paper in a legitimate journal in medicine, biology, chemistry, or physics using the kind of statistics that our media and politicians use to promote their agendas, they'd be laughed at.

Unfortunately, no. They probably wouldn't. The state of many scientific journals today has also been reduced from empirical purity to toeing the party line.

 

[Spark456]

And Chicago is the safest city in the world!!

I have land there and it has Oil and Gas on it and also heard that there is gold on it too.. Plus your in luck it 4 sale

 

[gnius]

Unfortunately, no. They probably wouldn't. The state of many scientific journals today has also been reduced from empirical purity to toeing the party line.

That may sound good, and that's the party line on the internet but thankfully it's largely false... at least in the biomedical field. I have pretty extensive knowledge of the way this works.

 

[GraySkies]

That may sound good, and that's the party line on the internet but thankfully it's largely false... at least in the biomedical field. I have pretty extensive knowledge of the way this works.

How fortunate for you that your experience has been so positive and affirming.

 

[high pockets]

I have land there and it has Oil and Gas on it and also heard that there is gold on it too.. Plus your in luck it 4 sale

Let me guess: The oil comes from that junker on 2x4s with the cracked block, the gas comes from that other car parked there because someone shot a hole in the gas tank, and the gold is from the gold grill that flew out of Dindoo's mouth when he got shot in that drive by.

You've just got to love Chicago!.

 

[gnius]

How fortunate for you that your experience has been so positive and affirming.

I don't think my post deserved that sarcasm. How many scientific articles have you authored or reviewed that you're an authority?

 

[103830]

83% of statistics are made up on the spot.

 

[GraySkies]

I don't think my post deserved that sarcasm. How many scientific articles have you authored or reviewed that you're an authority?

I am no authority at all on anything scientific whatsoever. Just a blue collar college dropout nobody.

If you are secure in your intellectual honesty, more power to ya.

 

[buckeye .45]

I took a stats class in college, and one of the texts we had to read is "How to lie with statistics".

It can be phenomenally easy through manipulation of the sample of the population used to pull data from.

 

[Mike1956]

I took a stats class in college, and one of the texts we had to read is "How to lie with statistics".

It can be phenomenally easy through manipulation of the sample of the population used to pull data from.

Noteworthy, perhaps that the sample dates began less than a month after Sandy Hook took place, and that Connecticut was shown to have fewer shootings than less-restrictive states.

 

[gnius]

I took a stats class in college, and one of the texts we had to read is "How to lie with statistics".

It can be. However, someone who is trained in interpretation of scientific data can usually take those attempts apart easily. The problem is that:
a) people who can do this often are on the other side of the dishonest argument and feel strongly enough about their point of view that they feel that a lie is justified by perceived benefit
b) much of the anti-gun data is not presented in a forum where an appropriate criticism can be applied. it takes time to explain why these arguments are wrong, and the 7 seconds or 120 characters are just not enough for that.

 

[rcsoftexas]

Another crap shoot roll of the dice which was probably funded by Soros and company.

 

[gasmitty]

I can't think of a single school shooting in AZ in the 13 years I've been out here, but we enjoy "gun show loopholes," private sales, and trailer-loads of ammo being bought and sold without background checks. Lordy, how do our children survive?