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This is what I call justice!:image035:

Hizzoner doesn't usually hand down sentences this harsh. This guy must have really ticked him off.

Kudos to the U.S. Attorney for Montana for prosecuting this case.:congrats:

Semper lie: Fake veteran must wear sandwich board
Posted: Thursday, Jul 06, 2006 - 10:21:17 pm PDT




By CHERY SABOL

The Daily Inter Lake

A Whitefish man was sentenced Thursday to spend 50 hours wearing a sandwich board with the words, “I am a liar. I am not a Marine. I have never served my country.”

Chief U.S. District Judge Donald Molloy in Missoula also sentenced William Horvath to four months of house arrest for making a false statement.


Horvath, 36, was convicted of making a false statement — a felony.

According to court documents, in 2001 he told a probation officer that he served time in the U.S. Marine Corps. The probation officer was gathering information on Horvath on a prior charge of being a fugitive in possession of firearms or ammunition.

When the officer attempted to verify Horvath’s military service, the Marine Corps stated there was no record of him having served.

Horvath then presented evidence to the probation officer, including photographs and decorations. Representatives of the Marine Corps said Horvath’s uniform was worn improperly, decorations were improperly displayed, and equipment and uniforms in the photos did not fit with the era or were inconsistent with other items in the photos.

A veteran himself, Molloy ordered Horvath to perform 50 hours of community service by marching in front of the U.S. courthouse in Missoula during regular business hours. He must wear a sandwich board with large letters that will read, “I am a liar. I am not a Marine,” on the front. On the back will be: “I have never served my country. I have dishonored veterans of all wars.”

He must also write a letter of apology to the commandant of the Marine Corps, Veterans of Foreign Wars, and American Legion in Kalispell. Similar letters will go to the Missoulian and Daily Inter Lake newspapers, Molloy ordered. Horvath must admit in the letters that he lied repeatedly about serving and being wounded.

Horvath will be on probation for four years.

Molloy also fined Horvath $1,500.
 

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I wish they would do that more. They can start with all those pretend SEALs and Special Forces, then just continue on down the line. :mad:
 

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Shucks - imagine all the sandwich boards we could see, if all the spoof military folks were brought out in the open.

Great punishment - very fitting. No one but no one should ever claim to have served when they haven't - it is beyond dishonest - it is despicable.
 

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Sweet...........sounds like something our Judge would do here, I might suggest it to him next time I am in court.

Fake vets always deserve the max public humiliation and punishment allowed.
 

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my kind of judge
 

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Love it, we need more judges like Judge Molloy.
 

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Captain Crunch said:
This is what I call justice
welcome to montana. although extremely rare, our officers stop high speed chases pretty well too. :smile:

was the fake marine was under any type of oath when he made these comments? if he was then he got what he deserved. if he wasnt, it changes everything despite how i may feel about what he did. as easy as it is to get swept up in patriotism, i find this prosecution very disturbing if the comments were made during casual conversation and not made under any oath. as much as i value integrity, i know of no law mandating honesty unless under oath.
 

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I'm SPECIAL FORCES...!

My momma told me I was SPECHUL, and she had to FORCE me to do just about everything...!
 

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welcome to montana. although extremely rare, our officers stop high speed chases pretty well too. :smile:

was the fake marine was under any type of oath when he made these comments? if he was then he got what he deserved. if he wasnt, it changes everything despite how i may feel about what he did. as easy as it is to get swept up in patriotism, i find this prosecution very disturbing if the comments were made during casual conversation and not made under any oath. as much as i value integrity, i know of no law mandating honesty unless under oath.
The article makes it clear that Horvath made a false statement about his military service to his probation officer. Whatever form this statement was in, whether written or oral, it was serious enough to get him prosecuted and convicted. If Horvath affixed his handwritten signature on a false statement, then that would be considered "under oath" and not a "casual conversation". I don't imagine too many probation officers have casual conversations with their clients on a regular basis.

No doubt, the Feds have been overzealous in some prosecutions in the past (Randy Weaver and David Koresh come to mind). but not in this case. This guy Horvath doesn't deserve any sympathy.
 

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Welcome to a special edition of "Justice -- Montana Style"....
 

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He got what he deserves. Fake vets are something that we do not need.
 

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Captain Crunch said:
The article makes it clear that Horvath made a false statement about his military service to his probation officer. Whatever form this statement was in, whether written or oral, it was serious enough to get him prosecuted and convicted.
the form of his presentation doesnt concern me. his legal obligation to be honest at the time the statement was made is what should concern us all.


This guy Horvath doesn't deserve any sympathy.
please dont misunderstand my intentions here. im not justifying what he did in any way, and im certainly not sympathizing with this slug. who really cares what some two bit liar babbled? it doesnt matter if he claimed to be a veteran, an astronaut, or secret squirrel.....unless he was under some form of oath then it was more unamerican to prosecute him for it than what he did to begin with. i mean whats next, prosecution for lying to the officer who pulled you over? "no officer, i didnt know that i was speeding" "no officer, i didnt see the light turn red". while lying in any form is wrong, prosecution for statements made without being under oath is a much larger issue than the ramblings of some two bit loser.

all that said, im not at this point saying that the prosecution was wrong because i dont know if he was under an oath or not at the time the statement was given.......but as an american who is not willing to sacrifice any of my freedoms under the guise of patriotism, i at least have to question it. if it is determined that he was under a legal obligation to be honest then i celebrate this sentence. if he was not, it scares the hell out of me.
 

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Make him wear the sign standing at the entrance to the enlisted club at Camp Pendleton, Calif., late one payday friday afternoon. Oh,I'd think just one hour would do it.

If he survives he could call himself a Marine. -------
 
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