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Just a word to the wise IF you happen to travel to the interior of Mexico. Be very wary of ANY Mexican state police. The federales are untrustworthy enough all by themselves, but the vast majority of state police are themselves part of the cartels.

Remember this when you're riding in a tour or resort bus and you have to stop for a police checkpoint. Those guys in body armor carrying automatic weapons that board the bus and walk through seat by seat, eyeing each passenger are not hunting for criminals!

A buddy was trying to talk me into a motorcycle trip through Mexico.

Me: "Uh.....Canada seems nice."
 

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A buddy was trying to talk me into a motorcycle trip through Mexico.

Me: "Uh.....Canada seems nice."
Actually, on a world member bike site, trips through Mexico are being taken year round by members from nearly every country, there's little to no reporting of it being dagerous to travel through. The caveat being, like here in the US, don't go into certain cities, jurisdictions that are being run by cartels.

I missed the opportunity to go to the Rocky Point rally this year [ it's coming up next month ], but I'll be there next year for the rally now that I know about it. It garners thousands from the US every year.
 

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If you see the video the cart brought in more gun men with very very heavy firepower think LAWS m249 50CALS etc and armored vehichal ..I am guessing the local milita had m4 or such ..Not ext squared up
 

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The basics are:
  • A unit of the Mexican National Guard approaches a house in Mexico City.
To be accurate, this didn't happen in Mexico City. It happened in the capitol of the Sinoala province.
 
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@AzQkr Brother the problem is that no place in Mexico is ever dangerous...until someone in the State Department wakes up and hears about violence against Americans.

We used to visit Cancun a lot. Always listed as not dangerous. Then almost instantly the State Department came out with a warning against travel there. The problem is that most of the resorts in such places are run by big European money outfits and they force the Mexican government to suppress the reports that would be harmful to their profits.

My daughter went to Cancun this past summer and was surprised - the place was nearly deserted. They upgraded her to a luxury suite that would have cost her an additional $1500 for her stay. When she got back, she said, "Never again, dad. The place almost felt spooky, it was so empty and I heard sirens running up and down the highway outside the resort. No armed guards anywhere in sight." She laughed at the reports before she went. When she got back, no more trips to Mexico.

Just be careful, Brother. Check the State Department before you go.
 

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@AzQkr Brother the problem is that no place in Mexico is ever dangerous...until someone in the State Department wakes up and hears about violence against Americans.

We used to visit Cancun a lot. Always listed as not dangerous. Then almost instantly the State Department came out with a warning against travel there. The problem is that most of the resorts in such places are run by big European money outfits and they force the Mexican government to suppress the reports that would be harmful to their profits.

My daughter went to Cancun this past summer and was surprised - the place was nearly deserted. They upgraded her to a luxury suite that would have cost her an additional $1500 for her stay. When she got back, she said, "Never again, dad. The place almost felt spooky, it was so empty and I heard sirens running up and down the highway outside the resort. No armed guards anywhere in sight." She laughed at the reports before she went. When she got back, no more trips to Mexico.

Just be careful, Brother. Check the State Department before you go.
Anytime you're out of the US, one has to keep their head on swivel like you're in Baltimore; Detroit, etc. inner cities.

Here's some real world observations and reports from riders traveling through Mexico. I watch these types of threads constantly for updates on current conditions all over mexico. As the thread has been running since 2010, hit the last post first, and run it backwards. The most current is the present situation being discussed here. The threat stay current as riders report back their experiences.

Rider pass through Mexico all the time and their reports hold current weight on where problem spots may be avoided in current time from members actually there. :hand10:

https://advrider.com/f/threads/is-mexico-safe.546927/
 

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Mexico city is 572 square miles, and has 21 million people living within it's borders. NYC is 302 square miles and 8.63 million people.

It's obvious that with some organization and a lot of guns, governments are not as invincible as they think they are.

That's not obvious to me. What's obvious in this example is Mexico decided the cartels actions against civilians in retaliation for capturing a cartel figure wasn't worth more civilian or military deaths.


What's obvious to me is that Mexican drug wars present a national security risk for the US.

Maybe Uncle Donald could funnel some of our defunct Northeast Syrian resources into Mexico. Hey, at least it's honest, unlike Fast and Furious.
 

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Mexico has been corrupt since the first elections. Personally I’ve visited numerous times since 1959. Sadly, never more, never again.

Graft has always been commonplace, and the cartel money has only added to the problems.

It is a failed state, for all practical purposes.

They had so much to lose, and never knew it: Democracy in Mexico

The political system sucked before the drugs and cartels, now it is abysmal.
 

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I see the point..and I HEAR what you are saying, but I respectfully disagree...some local rabble then got organized and made the kings men surrender? I think I have heard of this somewhere before fellows...sometimes, it's the good guys...and then again, that can all be perspective.

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It's a hell hole, I'm on the border with Mexico and believe me its worse then gets reported. The cops are under paid and when the cartel tells them "Plomo O Plata" silver or lead?? And they are including their family in the "offer" it's hard to say no. There's a YouTube video of the Culican shootout and the cops are on wireless talking with the cartel asking for calm but things fall apart and the cartel call out one LEO in particular by name they tell him his home address and say let our guys go or his family gets it. This is followed by telling the cops that all their families will pay they price if they dont comply. It will get way worse before it gets any better. I got all kinds of cartel stories from folks living with this madness and it's crazy to think this is happening 20 minutes from my house.
 

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I see the point..and I HEAR what you are saying, but I respectfully disagree...some local rabble then got organized and made the kings men surrender? I think I have heard of this somewhere before fellows...sometimes, it's the good guys...and then again, that can all be perspective.

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Lol the local rabble in MX tried organizing community "self defense" groups against the cartels and for a very very brief time they were successful and soon they were not. Here is how it goes,
Cartel: hey Jose innocent guy go join the self defense group or we kill your kids. Find out who the members are then come and report to us.
JOSE: Si Señor, yes sir.
Or any number of variations to that strategy the results being the same the self defense force members get found out and eliminated or they get infiltrated by cartel members and same results or even better the self defense force finds out they like being in charge and join the cartel ranks. There will be no citizen uprising against the cartels in MX
 

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For anyone interested in an entertaining series, Netflix has Narcos-Mexico. It is about El Chapo and how he started the Sinaloa cartel, which was also the invention of the cartel system in Mexico. I have no idea how accurate it actually is since it is a series for entertainment and not a documentary. It does portray the torture and murder of the DEA agents from during the Reagan admin. I remember that but did not know it was El Chapo's cartel. The series is fast paced and fun and highlights the corruption in Mexico. Season two has been announced.

 

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It's a hell hole, I'm on the border with Mexico and believe me its worse then gets reported. The cops are under paid and when the cartel tells them "Plomo O Plata" silver or lead?? And they are including their family in the "offer" it's hard to say no. There's a YouTube video of the Culican shootout and the cops are on wireless talking with the cartel asking for calm but things fall apart and the cartel call out one LEO in particular by name they tell him his home address and say let our guys go or his family gets it. This is followed by telling the cops that all their families will pay they price if they dont comply. It will get way worse before it gets any better. I got all kinds of cartel stories from folks living with this madness and it's crazy to think this is happening 20 minutes from my house.
If it ever gets to where police here try to enforce unconstitutional gun confiscation, upheld by an activist court, then this exact scenario will happen here.

The only way Mexico will get better, is if Americans stop buying drugs. WE are financing the cartels. If Americans had to see the faces of the dead, and their grieving families, then just maybe they would do what was necessary to get off the drugs.
 

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If it ever gets to where police here try to enforce unconstitutional gun confiscation, upheld by an activist court, then this exact scenario will happen here.

The only way Mexico will get better, is if Americans stop buying drugs. WE are financing the cartels. If Americans had to see the faces of the dead, and their grieving families, then just maybe they would do what was necessary to get off the drugs.
Keep dreaming, american citizens are not cartel members who will murder innocent people until the gov backs off.
 

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Keep dreaming, american citizens are not cartel members who will murder innocent people until the gov backs off.

I'm tempted to agree, but.....






And then I remember reading about 1775. How far below our latte and facebook veneer do those rebel instincts lurk?
 

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The only way Mexico will get better, is if Americans stop buying drugs. WE are financing the cartels. If Americans had to see the faces of the dead, and their grieving families, then just maybe they would do what was necessary to get off the drugs.

Agreed.
 

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I wonder if those citizens trust the government?
No. The government is as corrupt as the cartels, or have been co-opted by the cartels. The citizens keep their heads down, and try to avoid attention from either the government or the cartels.
 

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If it ever gets to where police here try to enforce unconstitutional gun confiscation, upheld by an activist court, then this exact scenario will happen here.

The only way Mexico will get better, is if Americans stop buying drugs. WE are financing the cartels. If Americans had to see the faces of the dead, and their grieving families, then just maybe they would do what was necessary to get off the drugs.
If Americans were inclined to stop buying drugs, they would have done so decades ago. It's not going to happen.
 
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