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With the holiday shopping season upon us, i have a couple questions. Several local malls are listed as "no gun zones" on the "places no to carry" list on the MCRGO website. None of them have signs on any of the doors i have seen. Only 1 of them has it posted, but in the very small print of their "rules and regulations" which isn't readily visible as you walk in.
If these locations wish to be "no gun zones", but fail to properly mark their entrances as such, what is our responsibility as CPL holders to follow their rules? Are we to hunt down a copy of their rules and regulations prior to entering so we know we're in the clear?
 

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Michigan CPL Restrictions

I commented on something like this in another blog. There are sooooooooooo many restrictions to a Michigan CPL. If a business has signs informing an individual of a carry free zone, we are required to abide by that, unfortunately. If there are no signs to inform the individual, we are covered. Their BAD!! Let's all move to Vermont where they appreciate, respect, and uphold the law abiding citizens right to bear arms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Simply put, no.
Unless there is a sign posted I carry, as it is a right to do so.
If there is a sign posted, my money is just as green elsewhere and that is where I will spend it.
As a general rule I avoid mall shopping like the plague. I prefer strip malls or single stores, to the crowds and mall rats that cruise the larger malls. I like to park at a store entrance, go directly into the store, get what I need and get out, rather than traipsing through an entire mall to get where I need to shop. Less time spent in the stores leaves me more time at the Gun Shop:image035:
 

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Come to think of it, I've yet to see a sign in MI. Admittedly, I've never looked all that hard, so if it wasn't obvious, it was definately ignored. While we have restrictions, its not as bad as Ohio. At least we can carry into a restaurant that serves alcohol here. I travel to OH frequently to visit family and its a PITA to disarm just to have a meal at a nice sit down joint.
 

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I check the doors of places just to be certain, but i'm not going to do much beyond that. If they're truely anti-gun they should at least make it obvious.
Like you jonesy, i have yet to see a sign here in MI. I'm certain there are some anti's out there who don't want us CC'ing in their businesses, but aren't informed enough to take the proper measures to stop us...and that's fine by me.
 

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I have never heard anything about having to obey a sign. In fact, I've never even seen a sign. My instructor never said anything about signs, and nothing is printed on the back of my card. Anyone find anything on the state police web site? Pretty much keep it covered and no one will know.
 

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The only true 'pistol free zones' are on MSP's website. The malls and business's that are on MCGRO's site are private property that do not want the business of customers that choose to protect themselves. If you choose to carry in a mall that has a 'code of conduct rule' against the carrying of a firearm, the worst that they can do is ask you to leave. If you choose not to leave, then you are tresspassing. That's why it is called concealed carry. When my wife drag's me kicking and screaming to the mall, I don't really want to depend on the Barney Fife security guard to protect me from some gang banger.
 

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When my wife drag's me kicking and screaming to the mall, I don't really want to depend on the Barney Fife security guard to protect me from some gang banger.
Come on...you don't want to rely on the chubby flashlight & radio equipped security guard to save your hide? I chuckle whenever i walk past them, as i'm better armed & more prepared than all of them put together...they just don't know it. :wink:
 

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Come on...you don't want to rely on the chubby flashlight & radio equipped security guard to save your hide? I chuckle whenever i walk past them, as i'm better armed & more prepared than all of them put together...they just don't know it. :wink:
Thats the Fact Jack ^^^^^:image035:
 

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I too have checked MCRGOs website to find out who may have signs. I decided to take a trip to one of our local malls and see if a sign was indeed there. To my surprise there were no signs at all. Into the mall my wife and i went. No issues at all. I looked all over the place for postings and nothing. The security in the mall is a joke at best. Good lord who are the trying to fool :smile:
 

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I raised this very issue not long ago. A mall is not a pistol free zone, as it is not listed on the MSP site. If you read the 'where not to carry' section on the MCRGO site, it states that 'businesses in Michigan have posted "No-Guns" signs indicating that persons lawfully licensed to carry concealed firearms for self defense are not welcome'. Not being welcome and being there illegally, are two very different things. Even if you carry into a business with a 'no firearms' sign, you are not in violation of Michigan's concealed pistol laws. You can however be arrested for trespassing, if it discovered that you are carrying (which of course, hopefully wouldn't be the case, since you are CONCEALED carrying!). I'm certainly not advocating carrying into a business that clearly does not want armed, law-abiding citizens at their estableshment. Instead, I say spend your money where you are welcomed!
 

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I have looked at every store I have gone into and have yet to see a sign. Even at a few places listed on the MCGRO site. While Michigan is not the best state for CC it most definitely is not the worst, and things could get better, House Bill 4334 of 2009 is a bill that would eliminate all pistol free zones in Michigan. So contact your reps and tell them how you feel.
 

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I have never seen a sign in my area yet. I think the farther north you go the less signs you find
 

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I have looked at every store I have gone into and have yet to see a sign. Even at a few places listed on the MCGRO site. While Michigan is not the best state for CC it most definitely is not the worst, and things could get better, House Bill 4334 of 2009 is a bill that would eliminate all pistol free zones in Michigan. So contact your reps and tell them how you feel.
Just did, thanks for letting me know.
 

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Wow i didnt even know this web site existed, in fact our local mall "Midland" is on this list yet ive never seen a sign prohibiting carry :mad:

Well as far as i know since its not a state law to carry there if you were to be "made" they can only ask you to leave & if you refuse you could be charged with trespassing :confused:

Heck concealed means concealed so SCREW them & i guess we will try & not go to the mall anymore since they dont want my money :nono:
 

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Paul Blart - Mall cop to the rescue. Did anyone else enjoy that movie. Stupid, but I laughed a lot.

No way would I trust mall security with the safety of my family.
 

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I believe the MCRGO site only list businesses that someone has submited to MCRGO's site as being posted. I figure if they had a sign, and it's been removed or it's not at the entrance I come in then it doesn't exist to me.

The ONLY sign I have seen is the business office of Charter Communications, and looking at the MCRGO site, it appears all of their offices are posted.
Even then the site says, NO WEAPONS. You (or a good lawyer) could argue that a Weapon is an offensive tool, and your gun is a defensive tool. :rolleyes:

As far as malls, I have never seen a sign, but it's been a few years since I have been to Midland Mall.
 

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I've never seen a no guns sign in Michigan except at Gander Mountain, and it states that it does not apply to CCW license holders.
 

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The only true 'pistol free zones' are on MSP's website. The malls and business's that are on MCGRO's site are private property that do not want the business of customers that choose to protect themselves. If you choose to carry in a mall that has a 'code of conduct rule' against the carrying of a firearm, the worst that they can do is ask you to leave. If you choose not to leave, then you are tresspassing. That's why it is called concealed carry. When my wife drag's me kicking and screaming to the mall, I don't really want to depend on the Barney Fife security guard to protect me from some gang banger.

YEP^^^^^What tbroy said,

If you get outted, and they ask you to leave, you leave.
If you do not, then you are tresspassing and THAT is a chargeable offense. This is what the police will get you on.


"The good man has both right and need for arms; no law would dissuade the invader and the plunderer from having them. Since some will not, others dare not lay arms aside. Horrid mischief will ensue if the law-abiding are deprived of the use of arms. The weak will become a prey to the strong."
Thomas Paine
 
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