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With new technology it is possible to carry a concealed video recorder.

I imagine this can be usefull for CCW as a backup to what transpired if you ever need to draw your weapon.
Systems can be found for about $400 that will record for 4h in B/W with sound using a micro pinhole camera, onto a SD memory card.
Lenses are available in wide angle, 120 degrees, so you don't have to aim.
The recorder is smaller than a pack of smokes, and cameras can be desguised as a lapel pin or even a button.

Some might not like the thought of having evidence to be used against them, but then don't get one.
Others might say they will forget to carry or turn the unit on. Well, you remember your gun every day. It is all about routine.

This is probably not for everybody, but seeing that a shooting can cost you $30000 or more in legal bills, I would prefer to have a recording of the BG advancing and threatening me.
One other benefit is that you will have a recording of what happened for several minutes before a shooting, say if someone was following you etc.
 

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Neat Little Gizmo.

Man is that the camera sitting on top of that dime? :blink:
 

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Very neat indeed. I think in summer tho my sweat would lead to a short circuit!

If not for cost I could put one in a model plane!
 

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wow !
 

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If you noticed in the recent Taser thread, they referenced a new Taser that had a video camera on the end of it. When you removed the safety, it started recording. Cameras are getting to be everywhere. I can see the use for one in defense but would want to review it very carefully before disclosing that you had it. You might want to be careful to check laws, too. You might get arrested for being a voyeur under some of Arizona's laws.....
 

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A camera on a gun/taser/pepperspray bottle/whatever is only going to show what happens as the item is pointed at BG, and then not even the aftermath if the GG doesn't rember to hold the item toward BG...
It won't show anything of what led to you having to defend yourself. It will only show impacts and the BG falling over.

As for voyeur laws etc, who is going to know you have a camera system?
The police won't check you unless you are already doing something creepy, and if you are, I think your CCW will get you in trouble then, even without having a camera.

What is the better of two evils: Getting sued for defending yourself, or having a bit of trouble for getting caught filming in (relatively) low quality your everyday doings.
 

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Kobun said:
A camera on a gun/taser/pepperspray bottle/whatever is only going to show what happens as the item is pointed at BG, and then not even the aftermath if the GG doesn't rember to hold the item toward BG...
It won't show anything of what led to you having to defend yourself. It will only show impacts and the BG falling over.
Currently, Tasers are used primarily by Police. I have not been trained in the use of the Taser but it appears, by observation of the videos in the earlier thread, a Taser is held on a person (a little higher than "low ready"), presumably with the safety off while they attempt to talk the BG down. I believe that would, in most cases, show someone reviewing the video later that the guy in fact needed "tasing". The use of a video might or might not prove helpful. Nobody mentioned using it on a bottle of pepperspray. In fact, the camera would not have to be on a weapon at all. It could be anywhere on your person, hence the "voyeur law" comment.

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As for voyeur laws etc, who is going to know you have a camera system?
The police won't check you unless you are already doing something creepy, and if you are, I think your CCW will get you in trouble then, even without having a camera.
You may want to do some research on the "voyeur laws" being enacted in many states to address the use of miniature video cameras either on your person or in your home if you think that warning was foolish. If you think you can't get in trouble using one in some of the most benign ways, you're wrong. Just because you don't tell them you have one doesn't mean someone won't discover you have one.

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What is the better of two evils: Getting sued for defending yourself, or having a bit of trouble for getting caught filming in (relatively) low quality your everyday doings.
You'll still get sued for defending yourself regardless of the video. I didn't say that I wouldn't consider using a camera, but I know a man that is still wondering what he did wrong after spending a year in the State prison in Florence for putting up a camera in his own home and catching something he never intended. The camera angle may get you prosecuted for videoing your everyday doings. It is an issue that is worth considering when dealing with hidden cameras. If you don't believe that, don't take the advice....
 

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And bear in mind the "Rodney King" effect- the first 10-20 seconds of the vid, in which King repeatedly fails to comply with commands and actively resists(how many here have seen that?)-what gets released to the press can make or break you before trial. (Don't think DA's don't leak!) I would agree that a recording, at first blush, would be "The Ticket", but serious social encounters rarely go according to script, and the recording would provide vast opportunity for armchair quarterbacking.
 

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....It won't show anything of what led to you having to defend yourself. It will only show impacts and the BG falling over.
Could be useful in helping correct shooting errors :biggrin2:
 

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sounds like a 2 sided argument. could be used for or against you. Problem being is lawyers twist events to look as they wish, especially civilly , where no burden of proof is needed.
 

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The April, 2006 issue of Police magazine featured a similar device in it's "Product Patrol" section. Here's how it read-
VideoCarbon Portable DSR
[April 2006]
VideoCarbon’s Digital Shift Recorder (DSR) is the first in a new product line of portable body-worn digital video recorders. Worn on the officer’s dutybelt, one small wire connects a hidden mic and flat inconspicuous button cam, both easily concealed and easy to use. With a single quick-disconnect, the DSR can provide power, control, and video to the body-worn cameras. The DSR has an integrated hard disk drive and a field-replaceable Lithium-Polymer battery. It offers a 30-second pre-event recording feature and embedded time/date/serial number information in the video to support chain-of-evidence requirements.
 
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