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I went to college and got my degree in accounting. But I frequently tell people that 75% of what I learned in college won't make you a dime unless you get on Jeopardy. There were so many classes that can best be described as "nice to know". Sure, it's nice to know why everyone is laughing when someone says, "If it ain't baroque, don't fix it" when discussing music at a dinner party, but no one has ever run into my office/cube saying, "Quick! When was the French novelist Gustave Flaubert born." But I still had to pay to learn and then forget that kind of stuff. I could have learned all I needed in a year. That's why VoTech schools are much more efficient. You don't waste time (and money) learning European history to become a plumber. And my plumber makes more than I do.
 

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I went to college and got my degree in accounting. But I frequently tell people that 75% of what I learned in college won't make you a dime unless you get on Jeopardy. There were so many classes that can best be described as "nice to know". Sure, it's nice to know why everyone is laughing when someone says, "If it ain't baroque, don't fix it" when discussing music at a dinner party, but no one has ever run into my office/cube saying, "Quick! When was the French novelist Gustave Flaubert born." But I still had to pay to learn and then forget that kind of stuff. I could have learned all I needed in a year. That's why VoTech schools are much more efficient. You don't waste time (and money) learning European history to become a plumber. And my plumber makes more than I do.
The problem here is that many of the instructors at our VoTech's are examples of the old joke - those that can - do, those that can't - teach. It's sad but as I said earlier, GA Power had to start their own in-house apprentice program so that they could have well-trained, reliable, hard working employees. The other pathway for great employees for them is veterans. I volunteer with a group that has some of the GA Power guys come out to volunteer their mobile machine shop and I can tell you that the young guys that are in that apprenticeship are hard working, polite, and know their stuff.
 

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There is and has been a problem with student loans going to kids who enroll in degree programs which are worth a roll of toilet paper or less. They graduate with a degree which no employer is looking for. The money to those wanting to take these worthless courses of study should be cut off and there should be absolutely zero hope of the loan programs getting bailed out by the taxpayer.

I'm not against student loans, the money should be there for qualified students wishing to undertake a course of study which will grant them a degree which is in demand by employers.

There's also nothing wrong with joining the military to learn a job skill, earn money, educational benefits and a chance to grow up a bit after high school, that's the route I took.

The colleges and universities should be responsible for the student debt for having such worthless degree programs.
 

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You can make a very good living in the "blue collar" world.

- you make a BETTER living blue collar
- white collar = DEBT
- hidden behind the masters dumbgree and professional office is a $100k+ compounding debt
- and NO the pay don't cover it

- my parents were lawyers
- they were paying off that law loan until their 50's

- meanwhile the neighborhood handyman and plumbers had stay-at-home-wifes and retired at 50


- never fall for the front... a roofer or plumber is chargin' $150-$200 or more per hour with almost zero overhead... and no debt...

- i mean no disrespect to doctors, lawyers, engineers... just saying blue collar gets paid... we need both... engineer cant build the building without the tradespeople... and a lawyer has no job unless there is a cop to make an arrest..

- as a kid I laughed at construction workers on the side of the road one day... my dad stopped the car "son, how much do you think they get paid to stand there with that sign"...im like "$4 an hour?"... my dad's like "try $75 an hour"... I never laughed at them again... AND it changed my mindset...







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Many jobs now require a bachelors degree for no reason. They don't care what it's for you just have to have one.

My local minor league baseball stadium is hiring ticket booth employees and a bachelors degree is required to even apply for what equates to a cashier's job.

Carvana is hiring a car delivery drive. They want someone with a bachelors degree. It's not even a big rig it's a single car hauler.

These are just 2 examples there are many, many more.

It's insane, they want you to have a 4 year degree that cost $30k+ for menial jobs.
 

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Many jobs now require a bachelors degree for no reason. They don't care what it's for you just have to have one.

My local minor league baseball stadium is hiring ticket booth employees and a bachelors degree is required to even apply for what equates to a cashier's job.

Carvana is hiring a car delivery drive. They want someone with a bachelors degree. It's not even a big rig it's a single car hauler.

These are just 2 examples there are many, many more.

It's insane, they want you to have a 4 year degree that cost $30k+ for menial jobs.
The more jobs that require a college degree the more folks will clamor for free college. The more folks who attend free college the more folks are exposed to the college system of leftist propaganda indoctrination.

Tin foil hat stuff? Maybe, but I believe leftist progressives do not think the same way conservatives do. At least it is my experience that leftist progressives think in sneaky conniving ways to further their long term goal of making everyone think and believe just like they do.
 

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Many jobs now require a bachelors degree for no reason. They don't care what it's for you just have to have one.

My local minor league baseball stadium is hiring ticket booth employees and a bachelors degree is required to even apply for what equates to a cashier's job.

Carvana is hiring a car delivery drive. They want someone with a bachelors degree. It's not even a big rig it's a single car hauler.

These are just 2 examples there are many, many more.

It's insane, they want you to have a 4 year degree that cost $30k+ for menial jobs.



- a 22 y/o with $55k in college DEBT is likley to make a GOOD SLAVE
- he will work HARD to pay off that debt
- its just human resource optimization conditioning for the masses...






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- a 22 y/o with $55k in college DEBT is likley to make a GOOD SLAVE
- he will work HARD to pay off that debt
- its just human resource optimization conditioning for the masses



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What college is giving away 4 years of schooling for 55K
 

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Who misses Home Economics and the good smells that come from baking in that room? I remember the whole hall smelled like food it was wonderful! The smart fellows took that class too cause they knew this is where the girls were plus they learned how to sew on a button and cook without being gay :yup:
My son took home economics, and found it both interesting, and more useful than algebra.
 

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Lack of shop classes.
Not everyone should go to college.
You can make a very good living in the "blue collar" world.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/mike-rowe-dirty-jobs-shop-class-student-debt#&_intcmp=hp1r_15,hp1r
I agree with this 100%.

I obtained my B.S. degree in accounting with minor in economics in 1978. I’m glad I went to college because I knew I wanted to be an accountant, and believe fully God gave me a gift for working with numbers. I also graduated from the Graduate School of Banking at the University of Colorado, and have spent most of my career as an accountant in banking. Having said that, I have maintained ever since I graduated in 1978 that college isn’t for everyone, and more people need to learn a good trade. As others have said, I’ve seen college grads not doing anything remotely related to their degree. It was a waste of their time and money, and would have been better off learning a good skill.

I currently work with a trucking company as their CFO; we have a hard time getting young qualified drivers. Drivers can make a very good living, but it seems too many young people aren’t interested in actually working. I work my tail off in accounting, but too many young people work 40 hours and complain about how exhausted they are. I know this because I hear it in my own family. My gosh, I’m nearing retirement, and couldn’t begin to count the times I have had to work into the wee hours or perhaps even all night, Saturdays and Sundays. But 40 hours is now a killer.

I hope Mike Rowe is successful in getting more young people interested in a solid trade skill.
 

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Heaven forbid if the federal government should ever keep tabs and trends on the market in such a way as to help prepare students to work in fields well-suited for each individual.
 

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In thinking about what I wrote and the fact that with the centralization of education at the Federal and State levels we have had an over-sell of college for all I realized that years ago there was an amazing revelation on, I think, 60 Minutes of all places about mail-order diplomas. That TV show praised the Postal Inspectors for bringing down a mail-order diploma mill that charged something like $8k for the trifecta of diplomas- a Bachelors, Masters, and Doctorate all based on "life experience". The twist was that when the Postal Inspectors (least well-known of the Federal Law Enforcement) reviewed the most common addresses among the 3-4k packets they confiscated the US Dept of Education was the single largest consumer of those fake degrees. Yes, federal employees at the DOE were buying online degrees and the US DOE when asked refused to condemn the practice saying something to the effect of 'We're not able to evaluate or comment on the quality or nature of the degree and must accept them as part of the employees personnel package."

I can't tell you how many times I see staff at public schools with "Doctorates" and the degree is from some obscure online entity. It got so bad in Georgia that the legislature had to step in and direct the Education Agency that for a school staff person to get a raise based on their degree (Phds get more than Masters employees in the same job with the same length of service automatically) that the degree area has to be directly related to their job duties. For decades school staff would go and get ANY doctorate in ANYTHING and even if they were teaching 1st grade their doctorate in basket weaving would instantly get them a 50-80% raise over their colleague with a bachelors in early childhood education. Yes, it took the legislature passing a law to require them to ensure that money only went for degrees that were directly relevant!

https://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/dm1.html
 

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Came across this from Mike Rowe. It's a couple of years old, but explains part of the problem.
 

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- you make a BETTER living blue collar
- white collar = DEBT
- hidden behind the masters dumbgree and professional office is a $100k+ compounding debt
- and NO the pay don't cover it

- my parents were lawyers
- they were paying off that law loan until their 50's

- meanwhile the neighborhood handyman and plumbers had stay-at-home-wifes and retired at 50


- never fall for the front... a roofer or plumber is chargin' $150-$200 or more per hour with almost zero overhead... and no debt...

- i mean no disrespect to doctors, lawyers, engineers... just saying blue collar gets paid... we need both... engineer cant build the building without the tradespeople... and a lawyer has no job unless there is a cop to make an arrest..

- as a kid I laughed at construction workers on the side of the road one day... my dad stopped the car "son, how much do you think they get paid to stand there with that sign"...im like "$4 an hour?"... my dad's like "try $75 an hour"... I never laughed at them again... AND it changed my mindset...







:)
So then your a blue collar worker , making $75 an hour holding a road sign ...





- a 22 y/o with $55k in college DEBT is likley to make a GOOD SLAVE
- he will work HARD to pay off that debt
- its just human resource optimization conditioning for the masses...


What college would this be ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



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My wife's best friend has a daughter who was in abusive relationships and drugs for several years until she decided to go to college. She wants to help people.

She received her BS degree in psychology and her MS degree in psychology. She is currently working on he Doctorate. She has done it all on student loans. She takes vacations to Europe and Asia during summers using student loans. She is now in her forties with over $400,000 in student loans with never working a day in her life.

She married her step brother. She wants to help people.
She might find work as a community organizer...
 

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I've been in IT for about 25 years and if there's one thing I've learned, it's this: technology has rendered the traditional college degree paradigm almost obsolete. Very seldom do you see IT-related jobs that actually demand a college degree. Most of them say "or equivalent experience." One reason is that it changes so often that the traditional schools can't keep up with it.

We had a female intern for the previous Summer. She has now left to go into her senior year of college pursuing a Computer Science degree (Bachelor's). At her going away party a couple of months ago, she told us that she had learned more in three months with us than in the first three years of college. And she still wouldn't be anywhere near adequate to replace any of us "regulars."
 
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