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Some of you may remember when Wisconsin was granted conceal carry, and Nazir Al-Mujaahid was the first to use his weapon under this new law.
Well this is an update that he finally recieved his gun back after 14 or 15 months. Longer then one of the one of the badguys. He was released before Nazir got his gun back.

Anyway CCW Advocates just posted the video of this shooting.


Concealed Carry Holder Stops Armed Robbery - YouTube
 

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I hate to say it but he shouldn't have drawn. He's not a cop and the guy was on his way out. What if he missed and hit a bystander behind the BG? Or maybe the BG shoots back, drops him, gets mad and goes on a shooting spree. Bad move IMO. We're not cops (unless you are a cop!). Stopping perps is not our job.
 

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A lot of people for the robber to deal with.

That's much better security footage than most.


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I hate to say it but he shouldn't have drawn. He's not a cop and the guy was on his way out. What if he missed and hit a bystander behind the BG? Or maybe the BG shoots back, drops him, gets mad and goes on a shooting spree. Bad move IMO. We're not cops (unless you are a cop!). Stopping perps is not our job.
Milwaukee District Attorney John Chisholm holds a much different view:
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From the security footage, it seemed like no one was behind the BG.

I am not sure what I would have done in a situation like that. The BG's nervous and erratic behavior would make me uneasy. He was sweeping back and forth trying to keep eyes on everyone. As much as I would have wanted to just leave the scene, my conscious would have nagged me as I left. Even trying to leave, I would have wanted to have my weapon drawn down just to ensure my own safety. However, once the BG notices, it could turn out badly (for me).

Even if I did escape, I would be fine.. but what about everyone else. And if someone would have been injured, I might have felt like I could have prevented it. I know I don't have the social obligation to, I am not an officer of the law, but I am still a compassionate human being too.
 

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Wow looks like he wasn't carrying with a chambered round and forgot to rack one in even while waiting in ambush? That could have cost him if the bad guy had decided to fight instead of run. Anyways I don't disagree with him engaging the robber with the way he was waving the gun around at everyone especially directly towards the clerk before he began to back out.
 
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I hate to say it but he shouldn't have drawn. He's not a cop and the guy was on his way out. What if he missed and hit a bystander behind the BG? Or maybe the BG shoots back, drops him, gets mad and goes on a shooting spree. Bad move IMO. We're not cops (unless you are a cop!). Stopping perps is not our job.
But there wasn't anyone behind the bad guy. In my home state of Kentucky lethal force would have been allowed in that situation. Not our job but they write the statutes that way for a reason. Maybe if you had actually been there you would see it differently. The good guy ended their robbery spree.
 

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Wow looks like he wasn't carrying with a chambered round and forgot to rack one in even while waiting in ambush? That could have cost him if the bad guy had decided to fight instead of run. Anyways I don't disagree with him engaging the robber with the way he was waving the gun around at everyone especially directly towards the clerk before he began to back out.
Yes your right being new to conceal carry he didnt have one chambered. He now carries chambered and wants others to use this video as a learning tool. If you look at the time stamp it took 1:30 for this to go down.
 

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What if...he should have...he shouldn't have...he could have...

It's over and the good guy won this one...the bad guy lost, end of story.

I'm not going to second guess anyone, I wasn't there.
I would like to think that the good guy may just have saved some lives down the line.

I think it stinks that it took the State Attorney over a year to get the gun back to the good citizen.:hand1:


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What if...he should have...he shouldn't have...he could have...

It's over and the good guy won this one...the bad guy lost, end of story.

I'm not going to second guess anyone, I wasn't there.
I would like to think that the good guy may just have saved some lives down the line.

I think it stinks that it took the State Attorney over a year to get the gun back to the good citizen.:hand1:
I concur why did they retain possesion of his firearm so long? Seems completely unnecessary.
 

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I don't know what I would've done. Hopefully the same. I'm sure he felt like his life was in danger. Other decision making processes engage at that point I'm sure. Never been there.

He did the right thing.
 

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I hate to say it but he shouldn't have drawn. He's not a cop and the guy was on his way out. What if he missed and hit a bystander behind the BG? Or maybe the BG shoots back, drops him, gets mad and goes on a shooting spree. Bad move IMO. We're not cops (unless you are a cop!). Stopping perps is not our job.

I'm still shaking my head at your comment...nobody is suggesting civilians try to be police officers...but defending people or a business being robbed is a matter of conscience to me. If you're afraid you might shoot someone by accident, then either train better or leave the gun at home and take your chances like much of society. Besides, I don't believe there was anyone behind the robber but the front exterior wall of the store.

Down here in Texas, many CHL holders have stopped robberies successfully and fir determined purpose.
 

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Nobody has mentioned the GG's conscious and how he'll have to deal with shooting another person. In this case the robbery appears to be over and the BG is leaving without firing a shot. Did the GG have to shot? Legally apparently he had a right to shoot. Morally might be another matter. That's a choice we'll all have to make if the time comes like it did for him.
Based on the video I wouldn't have shot. But he was there and made his choice.
 

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In this case the robbery appears to be over and the BG is leaving without firing a shot. Did the GG have to shot? Legally apparently he had a right to shoot. Morally might be another matter.
I don't know whether I would have shot or not. I wasn't there.

For me, though, there is no morality issue here. As soon as this individual decided to bring out a deadly weapon to take by force what was not rightfully his, his choice was already made, and if he loses his life it's by his own decision regardless of who pulls the trigger. There is no argument you could make that will make me think otherwise.

This is something you need to have settled in your mind before ever facing a situation like that. If I hadn't thought through that part of it long since, I wouldn't be carrying at all.
 

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The guy was leaving. The threat was ending. The problem is that when he opened fire it could have been the catalyst for a shoot out to erupt in the store. It wasn't that there was no one behind the thief...what if the thief fired back? There were plenty of people that could have been hit.

He should have been a good witness. Instead he acted like a vigilante and DID put people unnecessarily at risk.
 

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I'm still shaking my head at your comment...nobody is suggesting civilians try to be police officers...but defending people or a business being robbed is a matter of conscience to me. If you're afraid you might shoot someone by accident, then either train better or leave the gun at home and take your chances like much of society. Besides, I don't believe there was anyone behind the robber but the front exterior wall of the store.

Down here in Texas, many CHL holders have stopped robberies successfully and fir determined purpose.
My CCW instructor is a career police officer. With the Detroit police department no less. No fruit cake. He's been in firefights. And yes he has killed people.

His advice to the whole class was exactly what I just said. It's not just my opinion. It's the very good advice from a guy who knows what he's talking about.
 

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My CCW instructor is a career police officer. With the Detroit police department no less. No fruit cake. He's been in firefights. And yes he has killed people.

His advice to the whole class was exactly what I just said. It's not just my opinion. It's the very good advice from a guy who knows what he's talking about.
Your instructor gave you very good advice...follow it.
 
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