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I was looking at the polls on the "minimum carry caliber" and "your primary carry caliber" and was wondering how many people are carrying at or below the perceived minimum caliber.

Now this isn't scientific in any way. The two polls talk about caliber - bullet diameter but they list cartridges. One poll had a mixture of cartridges and calibers. I consolidated the data into calibers and looked at the results.

Almost 82% said the .355-.358 (.38/9mm) caliber was the minimum caliber they would carry. Looking at the primary carry numbers I found 60% are carrying at or below the perceived minimum caliber - .355-358. This also means 40% are carrying above the minimum. Kind of surprising and reassuring.



Better data can be had with better polling but this shows a sizable number of people are carrying above what the majority thinks is the minimum diameter bullet.

Remember, you can make numbers say anything you want. :image035:
 

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Don't think it's a surprise.

Don't think there is a conflict.

My EDC is a .45.

My BUG is a .40

On rare occasion I drop down, for deeper concealment, with both the primary and/or BUG.
 

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I agree... No surprise or conflict...
I always carry either 9mm or .45... my wife .38+P all the time.
 

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I agree... No surprise or conflict...
I always carry either 9mm or .45... my wife .38+P all the time.
+1 to that. No surprises in this data. people carry and prefer different things depending on different situations.
 

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Using bullet diameter is not a good way to try and judge either. Remember the .355-.358 includes .380 ACP, .38 cal, .357 as well as the 9mm calibers. While a .380 may be someones minimum carry caliber, a 9mm could very easily be their EDC.
 

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Using bullet diameter is not a good way to try and judge either. Remember the .355-.358 includes .380 ACP, .38 cal, .357 as well as the 9mm calibers. While a .380 may be someones minimum carry caliber, a 9mm could very easily be their EDC.
I don't know if it was you Archer that mentioned on the other thread about "its not the size but the whole cartridge". But if it was I agree with that.

I sometimes carry my 5.7x28mm pistol. Its outside diameter is equal to a .22...BUT...it travels at about 2100 fps. There are youtube video's of tests done through wet phone books that show the HP SS192 round expanding to almost .60 cal.

There is a whole lot to say about kinetic energy and yes...you need to look at the whole cartridge. You can pick up a rock and have it be 2.00 cal but if you can only throw it 30 fps...its really not effective.
 

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Well, my minimum was the 9mm. I carry above the minimum now with the 40S&W G23. I seldom carry a BUG until climate allows for extra cover. Then I like to carry the same caliber in both primary and BUG such as the G23/G27.
I also think the poll would be easier to decipher if the calibers were listed versus the bullet/bore diameters.
 

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Uhm yes, the whole cartridge matters. There is a major difference between .380ACP and 9x19. Of course type matters as well.

Some effectiveness statistics based only on one-shot stops (yes this is a limited and not a full view of ballistic effectiveness) from this website:

Selection of best ammunition for a defensive handgun


A .380 ball ammo:
Federal FMJ, 95 grains, has a 51% one shot stopping success.
A .380 +P JHP:
Cor-Bon +P JHP 90 grains 70%
A 9x19 +P JHP:

Cor-Bon +P JHP 115 grains 91%
 

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I said that my minimum caliber was a 9mm. I have yet to carry one. I always have carried either a 40S&W or 45ACP. I said 9mm only because its not a bad caliber and maybe one day I will carry a 9mm. I just dont own one.
 

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I carry .45ACP for primary and +P .38 in my BUG... both very adequate if I do my job! :image035:
 

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Using bullet diameter is not a good way to try and judge either. Remember the .355-.358 includes .380 ACP, .38 cal, .357 as well as the 9mm calibers. While a .380 may be someones minimum carry caliber, a 9mm could very easily be their EDC.
What are we trying to judge? There is no judging. The question asked was for minimum carry caliber and what is actually carried. The poll answers were given in cartridges. I grouped them into calibers to see what size hole puncher was being carried and what was the smallest hole puncher people thought they would carry.

In the example you give the person's EDC is the same caliber as their minimum carry. There is nothing wrong with that. 58% of the people's EDC is at the majority's minimum carry.

The only thing we're looking at is hole size - nothing else.

My surprise came that so many people are carrying above what they consider the minimum.
 

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Primary EDC is always a .45, the secondary carry (rarely used) would be a .380...:yup:
 

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What retsupt99 said.
 

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My surprise came that so many people are carrying above what they consider the minimum.
I don't get it :blink:

No surprize here....Just because I think that the 380 is the lowest effective round that i would carry doesn't mean that I'm going to carry just that round. Why would anyone limit themselves to carry their minimum when they could carry above that? IMHO, I'm carrying whatever is going to give me the best chance to stop a threat. Without turning this into a ballistics battle and without going into all the other variables that leads us to our choice of carry like ammo/caliber/functionalities, I'm keeping it simple and in track with the poll and going with bigger is better, just like most everyone else.
 

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IMO, Velocity in the smaller calibers is highly under rated. A .22 traveling at around 1200 fps is a good example. IMO, it's better than the larger .25 acp because it's traveling much faster than the slower, .25 acp. The .380 is for all intended purposes a 9mm. If a manufacturer can get this round up around 1000 fps using a JHP 90-100 gr bullet for expansion, you got a pretty good defense round in my book. That's why I consider the .38 and the .380 pretty much equal in there defense status. I would even say again, I prefer the .380 over the .38 due only to round count and reloads. I read somewhere that, it's the 1000 fps variable that makes or breaks the degree of expansion for most of the smaller caliber's. It makes sense to me, therefor I follow that mindset. For what's worth.:blink:
 

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That poll is much too general to be of much use. Besides, I don't decide what to carry from poll results. As for "minimum carry caliber", what "expert" decided this? No handgun caliber is a reliable stopper. Your carry gun/caliber will be a compromise of round count, fit/shootability,
reliability, accuracy, concealability, and cost.
 

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That poll is much too general to be of much use. Besides, I don't decide what to carry from poll results. As for "minimum carry caliber", what "expert" decided this? No handgun caliber is a reliable stopper. Your carry gun/caliber will be a compromise of round count, fit/shootability,
reliability, accuracy, concealability, and cost.
I don't know what use the two polls have either besides giving a general idea of the respondents selections compared to others.

As for what "expert" decided minimum carry caliber each "expert" responding to that poll decided - and there were several hundred.

Your carry gun/caliber will be a compromise of round count, fit/shootability, reliability, accuracy, concealability, and cost.
Now that would make an interesting poll. to see how people ranked these factors when choosing their EDC.
 

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My surprise came that so many people are carrying above what they consider the minimum.

I don't get it

No surprize here...
My own thought was that more people would be carrying the 38/9mm class of weapons. I was wrong in my assumption. More people than I originally thought are carrying larger calibers than what they consider the minimum.
 
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