1952 - 2006
While I have to agree that the Thunder 5 is ugly and reasonably useless, a friend of mine came up with a Carbon 15 pistol at the range, like cmidkiff, I thought it was kinda neat until I touched off my first round. The muzzle blast is reminiscent of a 50BMG. I thought the gun had blown up. It blew the baseball cap off my head with the over-pressure. On examining the target after firing 10 rounds I noticed that all 10 rounds had key-holed through the target a 10 yards. I would probably be appalled to see what the rounds looked like traveling any distance spinning as bad as they were, it could easily make a 90-degree turn in mid-flight.