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Is there any wisdom to having the new insight x2l mounted on a HK P2000SK? I am planning on buying the HK (I think) and saw the light/laser combo available. Does anyone else mount a light or laser on their gun? Is it needed or is it just a novelty? If a good idea, what is the likelyhood of finding a holster for a P2000sk with the x2l mounted?
 

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I really think it depends on your individual situation.

When I am out in the country (away from "civilization") late at night trying to pursue an astronomy hobby I carry a Ruger 345 in a Fobus holster. I have a Glock light mounted on the gun.
 

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I have a tac' rail on my SIG and would like to have a light on it - but it does present holster headaches for me. So haven't gone any further.

OTOH - re lasers - I have the CT grips and these I regard as a valuable addition. Best I can do is have my E1e in left hand and gun in right - and/or find a two hand hold to use both.
 

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I just looked at CT's website and they dont have grips for the P2000sk. This is starting to be a problem. There are very few accessories or holsters for the P2000sk. Maybe I should consider a different gun. Any thoughts?
 

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I haven't had my setup long. The Fobus holster works. It does not conceal well for me though. I don't care about concealment anyway when I am out in the country.

I suppose you could get away with concealing it but the Ruger isn't that small and Fobus only has a holster available as a "roto-holster" and that makes it stick out away from the body a bit.

There might be some holsters available for the HK that would allow you to mount a light. Others here might be aware of them. I know Fobus makes that type of holster for several Glock models.

I don't normally carry the Ruger with the light attached. I carry it in a belly band or in a Galco Cop 3-slot holster.

I had an encounter with a wild animal one night. I was alone and had trouble trying to walk in some rough terrain, manage a flashlight in my left hand and then had to draw with my right. I decided that next time I want my left hand free. - Just my preference.

FWIW - For me, my draw is fairly slow from my Fobus "Tactical Speed Holster". Perhaps I just don't know how to draw from this type holster but it seems slow to me.

https://secure.fobusholster.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=413&osCsid=905f185f8e3a7fd124bde95312370232
 

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Is this your CCW? Perhaps a handheld flashlight? CT is coming out with grips for many new guns all the time check with them to see if they have plans for yours. I personally like a revolver for CC. I have a Sp101 3” .357 and S&W 642 .38 that I have the CT grips on. Like P95 said they are a valuable tool and are of very high quality (very bright ). They are especially suited to quick target acquisition esp. in low light and awkward firing positions, and you don’t have to have a special holster when you have them on your weapon.


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How sensitive is the trigger on the CT's? Do they come on when grasping the grip on the gun so that the are always on or does it require an extra little squeeze to turn on.

How easy is it to come into a firing position with flashlight and gun in a draw situation? Can this be done with relative quickness? Sorry for all the questions. I am new to all of this. I am sure I will have more questions than comments for quite a while.
 

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i have 3 guns witht he light rail and dont use it really on anyof them it is neat on my subcompact xd becuse its so little if its out for a bed stand gun it has the tac light mounted to it .

but if i need a flashlight i just carry a surefire
 

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As far as your question about using a flashlight in concert with your gun I prefer the Harries technique. This position is acquired by thrusting the handgun forward, then crossing the light under the gun arm and placing the backs of the hands against each other. The Harries technique requires that the thumb be toward the chest, which is the natural way to hold a light with the button on the tail cap or for anyone who uses the flashlight at or above shoulder level. This technique should work well for shooters who prefer a Weaver or modified Weaver (Chapman) position.

Drawing your gun and your flashlight simultaneously is not recommended. But I have found that when in the dark and I feel uncomfortable I already have my flashlight out. I carry a Surefire 6P which is a rather old light by todays standards, but it works very well for me.

I may not draw my gun every day other than to holster it in the AM and unholster in the PM but I do draw my flashlight 6 or 8 times a day.

With little practice the Harries Technique is easily masterable. The correct position for me when complete is my strong hand is wedged between my watch and the back of my weak hand which is holding the flashlight pointed where my gun is pointed. Actually it's usually a little higher than my actual point of aim. I prefer to shine the light in the BG's eyes and the muzzle in the 'A' zone. This will make you less of a target, he can't shoot what he can't see. (unless he's lucky). :eek:
 

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Makes sense now. I have seen LEO in that stance but wasn't sure if you attempted to draw both at the same time. When I purchase a handgun, I will have to practice that. I may have to anyway if I intend to get the p2000sk. Spent all evening looking for a way to cc the 2000 with a mounted light. No luck. Only option I found was a tactical leg holster. Not exactly concealed carry. Thanks for the info.
 

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Try Sam Andrews. www.andrewsleather.com his website won't show you what you are looking for, but that's why you go to a custom holster maker like Sam. Tell him that Bob Ford recommended you and ask for what you want. Two things, he's not cheap, but he's slow. It won't come in a hurry but if he decides to make it you'll never need another holster to pack it in. Ask him if he could make one for you based on the hybrid saddle design. I find it the most comfortable OWB holster I've ever owned. One of the quickest to draw from concealed as well.

Just a suggestion. You can find his phone number on the website or there is a link here as well.

Good Luck.
 

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Shotgun,

Lights and lasers have two different purposes, from what I've read. Lights allow you to identify a target, lasers allow you to aquire an aimpoint more quickly. Both have their place in a home defense situation (IMHO).

Most people use a mounted light for the firearms when they're using them in a HD situation. You might consider the Insight light and laser combo for something like that. Most people who CC carry a flashlight seperate from their firearms.

If you also want to carry the mounted light, the advertisements that I've seen for the X2 make it seem like the lght will come off the pistol without a problem. Several holster manufacturers make a belt holster / pouch for a tac light that is carried apart from the gun.

Finally, from what I've read (not personal experience), even if you have a light mounted under your firearm, it's a good idea to carry a seperate light, because you don't want to be pointing the firearm at something unless you intend to shoot it.

As far as CT stuff goes, CT lasergrips have not been released for any polymer framed pistols, with the exception of Glock models. The orginal CT mount for glock included machining part of the frame away to mount the laser module. I know there are new ones that simply pin in place.

Hope this helped,

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Shotgun - just re your question on the CT ''trigger''.

Well - pressure switch really. On my revo CT grips there is a small ''clixon'' type switch which shows as a small button and is automatically switched to on when middle finger curls round grip - just a normal grip - no extra pressure required. At the grip's base is a small slider switch which acts as a master switch - I always leave mine on as no battery discharge occurs anyways till you grip gun and turn on the beam.

On the SIG it is a bit different - there is a pressure pad both sides of grip which is about in right place for the pad of missle finger. I find that excellent and again - no effort - grip gun - laser comes on. I am aware tho - if hands too small on these grips, then maybe finger won't reach pad so easily. Once more, there is a master switch - this time at lower rear of left panel.

Hope this helps explain a bit.
 

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I use a 870 Express SuperMag w/00 buck for HD, but it is too long and I dont want a light on it. I am thinking about a Benelli M4 with collapsible stock, tritium ghost ring sights and a Insight light mounted under barrel. Only disadvantage is the m4 is autoloading. I like the pump but I can get a shorter weapon with the M4 collasible stock and shorter barrel. Oh well, shotgun talk is for a different thread.

Sounds like the light on barrel is not the best option for on person carry. I thought it would be easier than drawing both your weapon and light seperatly, but that doesn't sound like a problem. If I understand right, I should probaly already have my light out anyway.

There is a lot of talk about Sig's around here. I never looked at them as an option. Might as well look at them too. Any recommendations?
 

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For using a flashlight with your gun, I would echo Bob's (acparmed) recommendation above. The Harries technique works well and is alot more versatile, for me, than having it mounted on the gun. As Chris said, a mounted gunlight does give you some holster problems.

I'm another that would whole-heartedly recommend Sam Andrews for a custom holster. Sam's the best. :smile:
 

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See I've never been able to get behind the idea of a light on a handgun. The main thing is I use my light a heck of a lot more than I draw my gun.

If your light is mounted on your handgun, whatever you are illuminating, you are also pointing a muzzle at. The last time I checked I am not immune to civil lawsuits.

I can only carry so much volume of stuff on me. I don't want to have to draw a gun every time I want to illuminate a keyhole.

Not to mention if you do need to use a handgun and a light at the same time, if they're separate units, you can simply extend your arm out to your side as you move. They will shoot at a COM that's not there.

Compare that to having your light on your gun and holding the gun in the ready position. The aggressor will shoot at the light in the darkness, and by extension, you.

Laser sights, especially the CTC grips, are making more and more sense to me as time goes forward. Personally at this point I will not put one on a carry gun unless it comes from the factory like that. How would a laser sight look in a courtroom where you are trying to prove you weren't planning to shoot anyone? Just something to think about.

I can see the argument for a laser sight on a house gun, but still not the light. I sleep with the lights on and that's 1000 times better than any flashlight.
 

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Shotgun,
I'll share some of my thoughts about a weapon mounted light, handgun that is. For a while I was a gung ho tactical-light-on-the-gun guy. I wound up with a Surefire X200 that is my pick, but I haven't got to try a M3X. All my guns had to have rails, I even built a 1911 from a Caspian slide and frame with rails. Used them in training at Gunsite, Thunder Ranch, and Blackwater - they worked great - free hand to work doors and all that.

One day as I pouted over my H&K USP for having some kind of H&K proprietory rail that my tact lights wouldn't fit, I suddenly realized I never carry a tact light with me or on the gun even though I have a Blade-tech holster for a Glock with light and another for a 1911 with light. They're just too big. S I began to re-evaluate my light strategy and here's I found. I always have a handheld light with me and I can't carry a rail light nearly as easily. So if "it" happens, I'll have a handheld for sure so I'd better be able to use it. And that's my final answer.

But at home, overnight, the nightstand gun with a tactical light is a good idea. Tangle, my dog, and I were awaken one night by a threatening sound. When I saw Tangle barking her head off pointing at the doorway, I knew this wasn't the usual "bump in the night".

I was remembering what Clint Smith told us in lecture about inmates teaching inmates to break into a house and rush to the bedroom to catch the occupants before they could respond. I retrieved the C&L'd 1911 from the bed stand and pointed at the bedroom doorway. To my pleasant surprise the WML (weapon mounted light) was already on and flooding the bedroom doorway with blinding light. This was one time I carefully and thoughtfully considered calling the police. But I didn't - dumb, dumb, dumb - and I proceeded to follow dumb with foolish and "cleared" my house myself - dumb, dumb, dumb! I was very fortunate that it wasn't an intrusion, and maybe "they" were too. Never did discover what the noise was.

The next morning I "debriefed" myself on my response and realized how awkward and time consuming it could have been to have to retrieve my gun, with one hand, and try to retrieve a light with the other hand, get the gun and the light indexed in the same direction, etc. So having the tactical light was a distinct advantage. Clearing my house was suicide - what was I thinking!

So my strategy is handheld light while out and about, WML overnight. But if you choose a handheld, practice with it and practice looking around both left and right corners.

Lastly, a handheld needs a lanyard. There is no way to hold a light in one hand, a gun in the other hand and open a door with the other hand - we don't have that many hands! You could holster the gun, open the door and hope you can get your gun back out before you need it. You could put your light under your arm or in your pocket but you've got a long reach to get the light back and you could drop it. The lanyard allows you to drop the light to open the door and easily retrieve it. The lanyard also solves the dropped light problem.

Then having said that, I don't carry a lanyard because it draws too much attention to my light. Anyway that's my thoughts and I've said too much again! Why didn't somebody stop me!

You do well to consider your lighting needs!
 

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Shotgun Willie said:
Is there any wisdom to having the new insight x2l mounted on a HK P2000SK? I am planning on buying the HK (I think) and saw the light/laser combo available. Does anyone else mount a light or laser on their gun? Is it needed or is it just a novelty?
Okay I don't have one of these...YET! There is a very limited use for this combo. I will use mine in a dedicated home defense role. A sig Sauer P220ST 45ACP with a SureFire X200 gun light mounted on the rail and CT LaserGrips for an extra edge in shooting from strange positions. The laser also helps DE-Escalate some situations. Primarily gunlights and lasers are BEST used on the H&KMP5 family of weapons, especially suppressed. But there is a distinct value on the handgun for clearing buildings, especially the home dwelling. But I would NEVER put them on a gun intended to carry on the street for a great many reasons. Too heavy and bulky for instance. The white light and laser will give away your position outdoors where you may have much more than one or two opponents in a wide variety of hidden positions. You don't want the 4 "F" principle used against you: Find 'em, Fix 'em, FIGHT 'em and....FINISH 'EM!
 

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I also have XD Sub Compact and when I use it as a bed stand gun, it has an XML tactical light mounted on it. I find this very convenient as it leaves my left hand free for opening doors etc. I also have a couple of Lasers for some of my other guns. The lasers are very good for aiming in the dark, however, if it is really dark, you can not see what you are aiming at very well (NOT GOOD). I like to see who or what I am aiming at so I have never really used the Lasers, except for playing around with them.
 
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