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Moving from FL to north east NC just 1hr from VA.

I would be going into VA often too.

I'm on handgunlaw.us now...

Regarding the NC laws....

Not allowed - "Assemblies and establishments where admission was charged. §14-269.3"

So, I could carry in a mall, but it is illegal to carry into the movie theater in the mall because it charges admission?

What is the point of this? :confused:

Hmm...this one stands out: "Where notice of carrying a concealed handgun is prohibited by the posting of a conspicuous notice or
statement. §14-415.11(c)"

Sooooooo...here in FL (as I understand it) if an establishment has a sign, it's simply their policy and they have the right to ask you to leave, etc...if caught carrying a handgun BUT it isn't ILLEGAL.

In NC it seems, if an establishment has a sign and you carry- you are breaking the law. :mad: That really sucks.

No carry in State parks in NC. Another bummer.

MUST INFORM Police Officer...well, that's not a big deal.

How does the overall legal system treat people with CCW in NC? The system overall seems to be on the side of CCW folks here in FL.

VA Laws:

This is interesting:

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No person shall carry a concealed handgun onto the premises of any restaurant or club as defined in
§4.1-100 for which a license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption has
been granted by the Virginia Alcoholic Beverage Control Board under Title 4.1 of the Code of
Virginia, nothing herein shall prohibit any owner or event sponsor or his employees from carrying a
concealed handgun while on duty at such restaurant or club if such person has a concealed handgun
permit. NOTE: only concealed handguns are prohibited - openly carried handguns are allowed
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OPEN CARRY huh?

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Carrying dangerous weapon to place of religious worship while a meeting for religious purposes is
being held unless you have "good and sufficient reason." There is no known definition of what a
good and sufficient reason would be. Violation is a minor crime, punishable by a fine of up to $100.
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Pfffffffffft! Rediculous! I think I saw on VA News they were considering changing some gun laws?

Seems VA is a bit better overall to carry compared to NC, on paper anyway.

In practice, how are both states?

Largest Gun Store in the World:

My Dad says there is a gun shop 30min away that has a good selection...fun to go and just look around. So, we went.

I was expecting it to be similar to Shoot Straight here in Central FL.

WHOA...I was wrong!

Picasa Web Albums - Alphawolf - Mackeys Gun S...

It was like a HOME DEPOT of guns!

It isn't in a very populated area so I don't see how they can tie up all that cash in inventory.

They have a 1 page website:

Mackey's Landing Firearms - Home

6000 firearms...seems like a legit claim.

Prices were not atrocious - with a little dealing on some stuff I'd buy there no problem.

Thanks in advance for any tips on NC/VA carry.

PS- is there any good reason to get a NC CCW license if I already have a FL CCW license? It's good for another 2yrs?
 

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In NC, you have to get permits to purchase firearms from the Sheriff's Department ahead of time to purchase in NC. NC and VA reciprocate as I live in VA and travel to NC frequently. VA is somewhat more carry friendly. Open carry is not illegal in NC, but you are a little more likely to get some hassle for it in NC versus VA. Check resident / non-resident requirements for cc permits and reciprocation of states you frequent. It can get very confusing.
 

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Cant carry in NC to a place where alcohol is sold and consumed either.Get your NC permit because your place of residency and your ccw must have the same address in NC.
 

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Speaking on why the laws are the way they do, I have no idea, but I hate them as well. I can't stand that I cannot carry into a theater. You will be able to have reciprocity with VA if you get the NC permit. Luckily, most of the area around NC has reciprocity with it. The closest places without are DC and further up north: Maryland, CT, NY, etc. I've been driving around a lot lately, and the only two states I've had to go thru without reciprocity in the last couple months have been Illinois and Maryland.

Thanks for telling me about that gun store. If I'm down that way any time soon I'll go and check it out!
 

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Welcome to North Kakilaki! Moving from FL to NC will be a slap in the face from what you're used to. What the others have said plus we don't have a castle doctrine either!
 

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what is a castle doctrine?
 

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NM i looked it up...
 

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I can't speak for NC laws, but as for the VA laws, I think that a bunch of the stupid ones will be changing this year.. We just elected in a REAL governor and a new attorney general that are both very 2A friendly.. I personally don't have a problem with the alcohol carry law, i easily change from CC to OC but keep it low key when I go eat with the family.. As for church carry, I want them to define what a "good and sufficient reason".. I personally feel that self defense is a good reason, but don't want a commonwealth attorney to say differently.. Oh well, i'm expecting that by this time next year all will be better..
 

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Biggest reason for the less than optimal laws concerning CHPs?

Not enough people willing to write, call, and email their reps. Oh, and not voting.

Same as everywhere there are bad laws.
 

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Welcome to North Kakilaki! Moving from FL to NC will be a slap in the face from what you're used to. What the others have said plus we don't have a castle doctrine either!
Here in NC, we have what amounts to a Castle Doctrine, but not so named, as in TX, FLA etc. NC's "Castle" type statements are noted as "Defense of Habitation" which extends to anywhere you may legally habitate; your car, motel room, business, friends home, etc. While in your place of habitation, there is no duty to retreat, you have the right to shoot an intruder as they are forcibly breaking into your place of habitation. There is much more to this, of course but NC does provide for the protection of one's "Castle", and I wouldn't be surprised to see future changes to add to and further define as a true "Castle Doctrine". The NC Dept. of Justice's Director of the CHL program is very down to earth and I believe he will strive for realistic and fair improvements in the law.

If the OP is going to be a permanent resident of NC then he will need to get an NC CHL. If he is a dual resident of FL and NC, say spending a few months of the year in both states and maintaining a residence in both, then he could just keep the FL permit as it is good here in NC.

ETA: When a trooper pulls you over on the road, he enters your plate no. into his on-board computer and up pops lots of data about the car and its owner - including the fact that the owner is a CHL holder. When he approaches your car he knows you may be armed. It is NC regulation to inform. It would be good policy even if not required.

In NC you don't have to get a handgun purchase permit from the Sheriff if you have a valid CHL.

BTW, my friend who is a NC State Trooper says any time you are stopped, keep your hands on the steering wheel in plain sight until he gets to your car. Don't be digging around for your documents before he gets there. Many cops have been shot upon arriving at a car after the driver had been seen moving around. My friend says he automatically arms up if he sees this, and is on high alert.

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One of the stupid laws in VA. is that you can not CC in a restaurant or bar that serves alcohol, OC is OK. This law should change soon with our new Governor.
 

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I've never understood the logic of that VA law. You can't CC in a place that sells alcohol for consumption, but you can OC. Doesn't make sense to me, but I comply with it anyway.
 

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Here in NC, we have what amounts to a Castle Doctrine, but not so named, as in TX, FLA etc. NC's "Castle" type statements are noted as "Defense of Habitation" which extends to anywhere you may legally habitate; your car, motel room, business, friends home, etc. While in your place of habitation, there is no duty to retreat, you have the right to shoot an intruder as they are forcibly breaking into your place of habitation. There is much more to this, of course but NC does provide for the protection of one's "Castle", and I wouldn't be surprised to see future changes to add to and further define as a true "Castle Doctrine". The NC Dept. of Justice's Director of the CHL program is very down to earth and I believe he will strive for realistic and fair improvements in the law.

If the OP is going to be a permanent resident of NC then he will need to get an NC CHL. If he is a dual resident of FL and NC, say spending a few months of the year in both states and maintaining a residence in both, then he could just keep the FL permit as it is good here in NC.

ETA: When a trooper pulls you over on the road, he enters your plate no. into his on-board computer and up pops lots of data about the car and its owner - including the fact that the owner is a CHL holder. When he approaches your car he knows you may be armed. It is NC regulation to inform. It would be good policy even if not required.

In NC you don't have to get a handgun purchase permit from the Sheriff if you have a valid CHL.

BTW, my friend who is a NC State Trooper says any time you are stopped, keep your hands on the steering wheel in plain sight until he gets to your car. Don't be digging around for your documents before he gets there. Many cops have been shot upon arriving at a car after the driver had been seen moving around. My friend says he automatically arms up if he sees this, and is on high alert.

Jim
True enough. But the stupid part about NC law is that once an intruder is inside your home you can not defend it with deadly force if the intruder is only there to steal your stuff. Hopefully this will all change in November when the libs are sent home. Our current lib controlled congress rarely allows any great pro 2A bills out of committee.
 

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It is time NOW to start working against that commitee chairwoman who last year refused to allow the castle doctrine bill to come up for debate, inspite of the overwhelming support in the Senate.

Please post her name and email. Also if known, potential candidates for her house seat. Snail mail addy wouldn't hurt either.
 

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I've never understood the logic of that VA law. You can't CC in a place that sells alcohol for consumption, but you can OC. Doesn't make sense to me, but I comply with it anyway.
It's not that law -- as in a single written law in the Code.

Many time two or more written laws and/or court decisions create strange situations.

In this case, Virginia is an OC State -- in the sense that if you can possess a firearm you can open carry it. This is by default -- i.e., there is no law against it. So, if it is not illegal, it is legal.

Virginia has no law against firearms in clubs & restaurants that serve. So, if it is not illegal, it is legal.

Virginia does have a law against CC in in clubs & restaurants that serve.

Hence the Virginia Tuck.
 

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True enough. But the stupid part about NC law is that once an intruder is inside your home you can not defend it with deadly force if the intruder is only there to steal your stuff. Hopefully this will all change in November when the libs are sent home. Our current lib controlled congress rarely allows any great pro 2A bills out of committee.
I'm with you...I don't think that makes sense.

It seems the intent was to give the non-violent or fleeing intruder a break.

My personal feeling is that if someone breaks into an occupied dwelling, they should expect to risk being shot on sight.

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I've never understood the logic of that VA law. You can't CC in a place that sells alcohol for consumption, but you can OC. Doesn't make sense to me, but I comply with it anyway.
Back before VA was a shall issue state (prior to July 1, 1995) it was a may issue state (and it was up to Circuit Court judges who got a permit and who didn't, in some jurisdictions it was easy, in others, impossible to get a pemit). At the time it was legal for permit holders to carry concealed in places that served alcohol. One of the changes made to the law in order to change from may issue to shall issue (and to get it passed) was to prohibit concealed carry in places that serve alcohol. The statute that spells out the requirements for the issuance of a CHP is 18.2-308, which is also the statute that addresses the carrying of concealed weapons in general. It makes no reference one way or another to open carry, so when the changes were made, they only applied to concealed carry, not open carry. There is no Virginia statute that addresses open carry of handguns (other than those defined as "assault weapons") or prohibits weapons or firearms in general in places that serve alcohol. Therefore there was no law to modify to prohibit carry in general in places that serve alcohol. It was probably just an oversite on the part of those who insisted on the change, but its an oversite that has never been "corrected".

Welcome to North Kakilaki! Moving from FL to NC will be a slap in the face from what you're used to. What the others have said plus we don't have a castle doctrine either!
Sure we do, it just happens to be a common law concept and not statutory law. With the exception of the "forcible entry" statute, NC doesn't have a written castle doctrine, but the idea that "a man's home is his castle" is a concept as old as the common law its self and it still applies in NC absent a statute to the contrary or one expanding the common law idea.

Moving from FL to north east NC just 1hr from VA.

I would be going into VA often too.

I'm on handgunlaw.us now...

Regarding the NC laws....

Not allowed - "Assemblies and establishments where admission was charged. §14-269.3"

So, I could carry in a mall, but it is illegal to carry into the movie theater in the mall because it charges admission?

What is the point of this? :confused:
Basically that is the commonly accepted understanding. There is some question as to whether one is actually paying admission to the theater since one can enter the building without paying, but has to pay to actually see the movie. That is more of a question for lawyers and would probably have to be a defense at trial if one was caught carrying, but its a defense that might work. On the down side most of the theaters in my part of NC seem to be posted anyway.

One has to remember that NC didn't have any legal concealed carry for non-LEOs (and LEOs were limited to their jurisdiction) before December 1st, 1995. All of these laws pre-date carry in NC and none of them were changed with shall-issue CHP was made law. The CHP law its self isn't restrictive, its the laws that pre-date it that create all the no-carry locations. The intent of the admission law was for sporting events, concerts, and such, but people smarter than me see to think it also applies to threaters. I don't know of any case law on the issue.

Hmm...this one stands out: "Where notice of carrying a concealed handgun is prohibited by the posting of a conspicuous notice or
statement. §14-415.11(c)"

Sooooooo...here in FL (as I understand it) if an establishment has a sign, it's simply their policy and they have the right to ask you to leave, etc...if caught carrying a handgun BUT it isn't ILLEGAL.

In NC it seems, if an establishment has a sign and you carry- you are breaking the law. :mad: That really sucks.
Yep, carrying into a place that is posted is illegal, and the charge is carrying a concealed gun. A conviction for such will probably bar one from getting a permit in the future and a second offense is a felony.

No carry in State parks in NC. Another bummer.
Or any other state property (except rest areas on highways), or where state employees work (if it isn't state property and therefore already prohibited).

MUST INFORM Police Officer...well, that's not a big deal.
Generally no, but make sure that you do it right away if you are "officially contacted" by LE. I know of a guy who has been charged twice for failure to notify because in one instance he waited until the officer finished his initial contact speech (in which the officer asked him if he had any weapons) before he notified the officer he was legally carrying a handgun concealed. The officer contended that he should have spoken up as soon as the officer made it to his window instead of being polite and waiting for the officer to finish talking. His weapon was seized as evidence (it was his only handgun, so he had to go buy another while waiting for his case to be resolved). The charge was eventually dismissed by the ADA, but he didn't get his handgun back until he filed a formal complaint with the department, which originally refused to return the weapon.

In the second case he was involved in a traffic crash (he was rear ended). He was out of his vehicle when the police arrived and his handgun was in the unlocked glove box of his car. He was shaken by the wreck and didn't think to tell the officer who was working the crash that he had a permit and the gun was in the car. When the officer ran his DL and a warrant check he discovered the permit. The officer then asked him if he had a weapon and he told the officer that it was in his car. Keep in mind that at no time was this gentleman inside his vehicle in the presense of the police (which in my understanding of the law means he was not in possession of a concealed handgun and therefore didn't need to notify). He was charged again with failure to notify and his handgun was again seized as evidence. When last I talked to him the case was still pending and his handgun was still in police custody.

I'm not one of those people that thinks one needs a reason to carry a handgun, but if someone needed a reason, this gentleman has one. He is a cab driver and he started carrying after he was robbed and shot in the same city where the above incidents occured.

How does the overall legal system treat people with CCW in NC? The system overall seems to be on the side of CCW folks here in FL.
It really depends on the jurisdiction. In most of NC its no big deal, in some of the bigger cities it can be an issue (see above). Both of the above incidents I described happened in the same central NC city (I am sure some of our NC members can guess where).
 

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Landric, Gotta be Durham! What do I win?

Here in the foothills of WNC, CCP holders and even OC'ers are treated well. But this is gun country.

Deborah Ross is the committee chair that is holding up the Castle Doctrine. The main part I would like to see is the no civil suit clause in a justified shooting.

This is an interesting read too.

http://www.jus.state.nc.us/NCJA/ncfirearmslaws.pdf

Some of these laws are being fought for change. Keep you eyes open for this and email your reps when they come up. The state parks, restaurants, and castle doctrine where all up last year. The Castle doctrine is the only one standing for the short session. Need to find out when that starts, or if it already has.
 
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