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I've seen a lot of chatter around here with individuals and companies threatening to move to a more gun friendly state. While I understand they are speaking out of frustration it drives me crazy.

This is a recipe to lose in politics. Figure you've got a swing state like here in Colorado. Take an issue like 2A rights and when the pendulum swings left we see legislation come up. No surprise there. No take a pile of frustrated citizens and business owners staunchly in support of 2A and they go packing elsewhere. Now how does the future look? Bleak. Less chase of putting 2A friendly representatives into government.

just get tired of the 'take my ball and go home' attitude.
 

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Texas and states in the South are Gun Friendly. We would welcome you here in Georgia. Republican majority across the board starting with the Governor. City of Atlanta is way to the left. Anywhere North, East or West of the Big A is fine. Most folks live North of Atlanta. South of Big A has some areas that are issues.
 

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If it were truly giving up the fight, that'd be one thing.

But the other perspective is to see it as the voicing of other, previously-unstated impacts of having anti-liberty, anti-constitution, anti-2A statutes cooling the jets of business and the economy. It's very real, and until such companies speak in such terms, nobody who's foisting such things upon the People are thinking in such terms. Well, they are now. If for no other reason than getting the full and complete picture on the table for discussion, it's a good thing IMO.

"Take my ball and go home" attitude? Nope. I'd say it's merely calling a spade a spade, identifying the full impact for what it is: personal, security, social and financial. It's about time the conversation include all of it, not merely the rosy portions the liberty-haters have deemed worthy of discussion.
 

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Yeah, what do you do? I'm often curious if all of the 2A supporters moved out of CO, IL, CA, NY, NJ, MY, etc. How long would it take for the number of electoral votes a state has changes? Do we let the liberals have these states and strengthen the 2A in the free states? Would it make a difference with the dead people that vote and the people that get to vote multiple times because we know thay aren't leaving. We need term limits for all elected officials.
 

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Dave, please don't take this the wrong way. By no means am I trying to discourage you from moving but, if you move away from your home because of the ill dealings in your state gov't, then that means you are giving up the fight. The last 4 letters in AMERICAN are "I CAN". No, you alone cannot fight the machine but, a vast majority just like you CAN make a difference. It took these liberal pricks over 50 years to get where they are now because good men stood by and let them do. Don't you think its way passed time the good men stand up and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT???? There are patriots like you in every state....Go find them!!! Organize, stratagize and get in the face of the political machine. They get real scared when big crowds start making demands. Just make sure it's done legal. And if all esle fails then you just make your way down south. I'd be happy to make your aquaintance!
 

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Dave, please don't take this the wrong way. By no means am I trying to discourage you from moving but, if you move away from your home because of the ill dealings in your state gov't, then that means you are giving up the fight. The last 4 letters in AMERICAN are "I CAN". No, you alone cannot fight the machine but, a vast majority just like you CAN make a difference. It took these liberal pricks over 50 years to get where they are now because good men stood by and let them do. Don't you think its way passed time the good men stand up and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT???? There are patriots like you in every state....Go find them!!! Organize, stratagize and get in the face of the political machine. They get real scared when big crowds start making demands. Just make sure it's done legal. And if all esle fails then you just make your way down south. I'd be happy to make your aquaintance!
You should read the post and not just the title.
 

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Texas and states in the South are Gun Friendly. We would welcome you here in Georgia. Republican majority across the board starting with the Governor. City of Atlanta is way to the left. Anywhere North, East or West of the Big A is fine. Most folks live North of Atlanta. South of Big A has some areas that are issues.
By geography, CA is gun friendly. The problem is the big pop centers are not. Don't rest on your laurels there. I hear rumblings that GA may be blue some day.

.... No, you alone cannot fight the machine but, a vast majority just like you CAN make a difference. It took these liberal pricks over 50 years to get where they are now because good men stood by and let them do. Don't you think its way passed time the good men stand up and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT???? There are patriots like you in every state....Go find them!!! Organize, stratagize and get in the face of the political machine. They get real scared when big crowds start making demands. Just make sure it's done legal. And if all esle fails then you just make your way down south. I'd be happy to make your aquaintance!
The rise of the modern liberal came with Kennedy. Young and smart. A lot of people got on the band wagon. Then hell broke lose. Revolutionary social change - certainly not all bad.
There's a place for the modern liberal. However, one thing is proven: they don't know how to budget and run a government. But socially liberal ideas are not antithetical to support for 2A.
Minorities are the traditional targets of gun control in this country. I think that the majority pays for that deprivation of gun culture among an increasing voting demographic. It's mostly city versus country. One could pick his geography accordingly.
If it's going to change, we need our supporters of 2A to reach out to minorities for the votes. Heretofore, they (our political leaders who represent us) fail to that. Change where you are or make where you are change. It's doable.
 

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best game plan to defend 2A in states like CO:

support 2A friendly dems in primary races.
That's one way to go. Keep in mind, though, that you never really know what you're going to get. Politicians are a strange animal. In my state of WV, Sen. Joe Manchin was considered a pro 2A man. He even has an A rating from the NRA. However now he is trying to put together a deal in the US senate that will take away some of our rights.
 

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In my state of WV, Sen. Joe Manchin was considered a pro 2A man. He even has an A rating from the NRA. However now he is trying to put together a deal in the US senate that will take away some of our rights.
There has simply got to be some way to criminally go after such people who so clearly violate sworn oaths, let alone commission of crimes against the Constitution. One would think these things to be "high crimes and misdemeanors" spoken of in the Constitution for sitting hirelings. Yet, no such thing is ever attempted (so far as I know or have ever heard in 30+ years of listening to it all).
 

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I've seen a lot of chatter around here with individuals and companies threatening to move to a more gun friendly state. While I understand they are speaking out of frustration it drives me crazy.

This is a recipe to lose in politics. Figure you've got a swing state like here in Colorado. Take an issue like 2A rights and when the pendulum swings left we see legislation come up. No surprise there. No take a pile of frustrated citizens and business owners staunchly in support of 2A and they go packing elsewhere. Now how does the future look? Bleak. Less chase of putting 2A friendly representatives into government.

just get tired of the 'take my ball and go home' attitude.
What I think you might be missing is that when people move, they take their voting power with them and if enough people move, the number of representatives change.

If there was a mass exodus from one region, that region will lose one of their representatives in Washington. The representatives follow the citizens. In other words, if you get enough citizen together, they get to elect someone to represent them in Washington.

By moving, you could cause CO to lose one representative and Texas to gain one representative.

CO loses a vote in Washington and Texas gains a vote in Washington.

Move enough people and CO will lose an electoral college vote in the presidential race and Texas will gain an electoral college vote in the presidential race which will make it even more important for a presidential candidate to win Texas.

The power is with the people.

If you can not change how the representatives in your area represent you, you need to move to an area of the country that has a representative already in place that represents his/he constituents like you want to be represented or you need to move to area where you have a fighting chance to alter the type of representation that currently exists there.

That^^^^is where you take "the fight".
 

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Texas and states in the South are Gun Friendly. We would welcome you here in Georgia. Republican majority across the board starting with the Governor. City of Atlanta is way to the left. Anywhere North, East or West of the Big A is fine. Most folks live North of Atlanta. South of Big A has some areas that are issues.
+1 on this!
 

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Unfortunately I think that in times like these, moving and voting with real dollars are about the only thing you have left. Magpul has it right; if the state won't support them, then they'll find a state that will. And make no mistake, plenty will. The flip side of that is not about giving up on Colorado, it's about making sure that Colorado lawmakers pay for their decisions. When those tax dollars leave, when those jobs leave, when all that taxable revenue ends up in another state's coffers, other states will absolutely be forced to stand up and take notice of it. Hopefully the lesson will be clear cut enough that the next state governor that considers pushing this sort of legislation will have a better feel for the downside to trying to take rights away from the people.
 

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best game plan to defend 2A in states like CO:

support 2A friendly dems in primary races.
As a 45 year resident of Colorado I have to disagree with you. Look at how the votes went, the Dems all stuck together and these bills passed on a party line vote. Quite a few of them ran as pro 2A Dems. No such thing when the rubber meets the road, as soon as they had a majority in the house and senate and the Governor in Colorado all these bills came up and passed.
 

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That's one way to go. Keep in mind, though, that you never really know what you're going to get. Politicians are a strange animal. In my state of WV, Sen. Joe Manchin was considered a pro 2A man. He even has an A rating from the NRA. However now he is trying to put together a deal in the US senate that will take away some of our rights.
Can we please repeal the 17th Amendment? Democracy and mob rule is bad. If these senators were beholding to the state legislators like the founders intended, we as citizens could apply enormous pressure on our state representatives to make these senatorial fools think twice about subverting the will of the people. Bills aren't even supposed to originate in the senate anyway. The senate is supposed to conduct lengthy debate as a continuing body, but guess there's no time for that when your passing 40,000 new laws a year.
 

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As a 45 year resident of Colorado I have to disagree with you. Look at how the votes went, the Dems all stuck together and these bills passed on a party line vote. Quite a few of them ran as pro 2A Dems. No such thing when the rubber meets the road, as soon as they had a majority in the house and senate and the Governor in Colorado all these bills came up and passed.
Well that's the problem with expecting the individual politician to maintain their individual ideals. They basically won't. While they need the voters to vote for them, they need their party even more. Without the party support they are out of a job and, unlike fickle voters, the party actually remembers how the cow ate the cabbage.

When push meets shove, you better realize that if the party generally supports something, then the individual pol will as well, when it's necessary at least.
 

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Politicians by and large equal power and money. Nobody to govern no power. Nobody to tax no money. Their "ideals" will change instantly to whatever brings back the power and the money simple as that.
 

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"DaveCo"....don't tuck and run!
We need ALL IN to fight this toilet scum!!!

Born & raised here...I PROMISE I'm more pissed than you but, where ya gunna go??
EVERYONE who belives in the Constitution, and HOW we got it.....NEVER RAN.

"These Colors Don't Run"........:usa:
 

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best game plan to defend 2A in states like CO: support 2A friendly dems in primary races.
Not a good plan at all. You need to become politically active yourself. There is a huge contingent of liberty minded people in CO - especially in the northern part. Seek them out and help them get elected to as many local positions as possible - everything from Dog Catcher to whatever. Many people don't realize this, but politics is mostly bottom up. The only reason things are the way they are is because the other side is willing to get off their ass more than our side, but that's changing. People are waking up. Especially young people who realize the future is bleak. It's all about numbers. Out number them and you can turn this on its head. The down side is the other side and the status quo has a big head start.
 
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