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Hello to all----would appreciate your input.

I am moving from RI to NC mid January. I will be needing to ship my firearms from a FFL here in RI to a FFL near my NC destination for legal interstate transport. I plan on applying for my CCW in NC shortly after my arrival (no reciprocity with RI).

My question is this: Will I have any problems picking up my firearms from the NC FFL without 1st having a NC drivers license, NC CCW, NC safety course, or any established residency in the state?

Thanks and be well,

WJP9
 

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I would contact the local Sheriff's Department in the County you are moving to. I would also think that the FFL you are using could answer that question. Please let us know what you find out.
 

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Hello to all----would appreciate your input.

I am moving from RI to NC mid January. I will be needing to ship my firearms from a FFL here in RI to a FFL near my NC destination for legal interstate transport. I plan on applying for my CCW in NC shortly after my arrival (no reciprocity with RI).

My question is this: Will I have any problems picking up my firearms from the NC FFL without 1st having a NC drivers license, NC CCW, NC safety course, or any established residency in the state?

Thanks and be well,

WJP9

I will be needing to ship my firearms from a FFL here in RI to a FFL near my NC destination for legal interstate transport.

WHY?

Will I have any problems picking up my firearms from the NC FFL without 1st having a NC drivers license, NC CCW, NC safety course, or any established residency in the state?

You SHOULD be able to retrieve your rifles with a RI driver's license because of the 18 USC (b)(3) exception for long guns.

Your handguns are going to be a HUGE problem. You will need to obtain a North Carolina Handgun Purchase Permit for EACH handgun you desire to retrieve from the FFL. They are issued by the county Sherrif. You will have to comply with all the requirements for that, which, I believe involve references, length of residency, a NC ID... you won't be getting your handguns for quite a while.

Why in the world do you think you need to go FFL to FFL with these guns? That is the worst possible thing I can think of doing.
 

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You don't need any special permits to own a firearm in NC and there is no firearm registration EXCEPT in Durham County and they register handguns as I understand it.

You do need a purchase permit or a CCW to buy or transfer ownership of a firearm in NC though. I would have to guess that there should not be any issue picking up your own guns from a FFL seeing that you are not transferring ownership but you should talk to an FFL about your scenario.

When I moved here from Florida I just put the unloaded guns in the car and went.

If I may ask, where are you moving to in NC?
 

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Federal Transportation Gun Laws

You do not have to use FFL's to transport guns. Guns in the trunk in cases and ammonition seperate from the guns. Magazines empty. Here is a link to read about the Federal Transportation law.

NRA-ILA :: :smile:
 

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You do not have to use FFL's to transport guns. Guns in the trunk 1. in cases and 2. ammonition seperate from the guns. 3. Magazines empty. Here is a link to read about the Federal Transportation law.

NRA-ILA :: :smile:
Statements 1, 2, and 3 above are NOT required by the Federal law. In fact, if you have the unloaded guns in the trunk and the ammo in the passenger compartment you are violating the Federal law.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00000926---A000-.html

18 USC 926a:
Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.
 

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Ship them to yourself

Also, if transportation is a problem, you can ship the firearms to yourself in care of another person (does not have to be an FFL). The receiving person should be instructed to not open the packages.

ATF Online - Firearms FAQs

(B9) May a nonlicensee ship firearms interstate for his or her use in hunting or other lawful activity?

Yes. A person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner. Persons other than the owner should not open the package and take possession of the firearm.



(B10) May a person who is relocating out of State move firearms with other household goods?

Yes. A person who lawfully possesses a firearm may transport or ship the firearm interstate when changing his or her State of residence.

Certain NFA firearms must have prior approval from the Bureau of ATF before they may be moved interstate. The person must notify the mover that firearms are being transported. He or she should also check State and local laws where relocating to ensure that movement of firearms into the new State does not violate any State law or local ordinance.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(4) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.28 and 478.31]
 

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Good info in these replies; hope the OP reads the follow-up and avoids the FFL route.

(As a transplanted Rhode Islander, I also hope the OP is moving to NC in order to open an Italian deli/bakery...can't get a decent spinach pie or grinder around here!)
 

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Thanks for the replies. I will need to do some follow-up in days to follow to choose the best option. I was advised by my FFL that I had to ship the firearms to another FFL...however, I certainly don't want my handguns to be held up in a mess of red tape if there is another legal option for transport....nor do I care to pay uneccessary transfer fees.

Looks like having the firearms disassembled and in locked safes (in the uhaul?) without any ammo may be the way to go according to the listed fed reg.

On the Italian bakery note, I hung up my chef's knives years ago for a different profession....but I tell people "it's like the mob...when you're in, you're in for life...." we'll see what happens.

Again---thanks for the advice!
 

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Thanks for the replies. I will need to do some follow-up in days to follow to choose the best option. I was advised by my FFL that I had to ship the firearms to another FFL...however, I certainly don't want my handguns to be held up in a mess of red tape if there is another legal option for transport....nor do I care to pay uneccessary transfer fees.

Looks like having the firearms disassembled and in locked safes (in the uhaul?) without any ammo may be the way to go according to the listed fed reg.

On the Italian bakery note, I hung up my chef's knives years ago for a different profession....but I tell people "it's like the mob...when you're in, you're in for life...." we'll see what happens.

Again---thanks for the advice!
Bring them on down yourself
 

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If you own the firearms and they are standard rifles and pistols (nothing that is regulated by ATF), then you can move them yourself. I have moved a lot even to California before and I just put them in the truck, unloaded ammo in the same truck and moved, just not in the weapon. It sound like your FFL is trying to take your money.
 

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Thanks for the replies. I will need to do some follow-up in days to follow to choose the best option. I was advised by my FFL that I had to ship the firearms to another FFL...however, I certainly don't want my handguns to be held up in a mess of red tape if there is another legal option for transport....nor do I care to pay uneccessary transfer fees.

Looks like having the firearms disassembled and in locked safes (in the uhaul?) without any ammo may be the way to go according to the listed fed reg.

On the Italian bakery note, I hung up my chef's knives years ago for a different profession....but I tell people "it's like the mob...when you're in, you're in for life...." we'll see what happens.

Again---thanks for the advice!
You are making this WAAAAYYYYY too difficult. Put the unloaded guns and the ammo in the back of the UHaul, lock the UHaul and GO! THAT IS ALL YOU NEED TO DO TO BE LEGAL! There is no need for being locked in a safe, no need for disassembly, you can take any ammo with you, you don't need any FFL's.

IF you do HAPPEN to get stopped on the way, and if the cop HAPPENS to ask you if there are weapons in the vehicle, you tell the cop you are transporting your own personal unloaded firearms in the back of the truck, period. If he asks to look in the back of the truck, the answer is NO, period. You have no legal obligation whatsoever to submit to any search of the vehicle unless you do something really stupid like screech to a halt in front of a Federal building, jump out of the truck shouting JIHAD and run like hell.

Seriously, it is PERFECTLY LEGAL just to put the unloaded guns and ammo in the back of the truck and not worry about it. If you really want to be anal, load them in first so they are buried underneath everything else.

I know. I move every three years in the military and have done 13-15 firearms, 3000-4000 rounds of ammo, a couple thousand primers, and about 40 lbs of gunpowder in the back of a truck, no problem at all, twice, half-way across the US each time.

Whoever told you that you had to go FFL to FFL was either a complete idiot or was looking to make money off of you.
 

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You are making this WAAAAYYYYY too difficult. Put the unloaded guns and the ammo in the back of the UHaul, lock the UHaul and GO! THAT IS ALL YOU NEED TO DO TO BE LEGAL! There is no need for being locked in a safe, no need for disassembly, you can take any ammo with you, you don't need any FFL's.

IF you do HAPPEN to get stopped on the way, and if the cop HAPPENS to ask you if there are weapons in the vehicle, you tell the cop you are transporting your own personal unloaded firearms in the back of the truck, period. If he asks to look in the back of the truck, the answer is NO, period.

Seriously, it is PERFECTLY LEGAL just to put the unloaded guns and ammo in the back of the truck and not worry about it. If you really want to be anal, load them in first so they are buried underneath everything else.

I know. I move every three years in the military and have done 13-15 firearms, 3000-4000 rounds of ammo, a couple thousand primers, and about 40 lbs of gunpowder in the back of a truck, no problem at all, twice, half-way across the US each time.

Whoever told you that you had to go FFL to FFL was either a complete idiot or was looking to make money off of you.
You have to understand where I am coming from: RI firearms laws are insanely strict...transport in the state for a non-CCW is limited to:

1. Gun store to home
2. Home to range and directly back
Both disassembled, locked, with ammo seperate

CCW here involved LOADS of red tape and I was fortunate to be able to carry in the "may issue" Ocean State.....The need for proper planning stems from that and other experiences here. Another + for the move to NC. Thanks for the encouragement.
 

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I am not sure who told you that it had to be disassembled and locked up with no ammo. That is not what Rhode Island Statute 11-47-9 says.

11-47-9

§ 11-47-9 Persons exempt from restrictions. – The provisions of § 11-47-8 shall not apply to ... the regular and/or ordinary transportation of pistols or revolvers as merchandise, nor to any person while transporting a pistol, or revolvers, unloaded from the place of purchase to their residence, or place of business, from their residence to their place of business or from their place of business to their residence, or to a Federal Firearms licensee for the purpose of sale, to or from a bona fide gunsmith, or firearms repair facility, to any police station or other location designated as a site of a bona fide "gun buy-back" program but only if said pistol or revolver is unloaded and any ammunition for said pistol or revolver is not readily or directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such vehicle while transporting same and further provided that in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the passenger compartment the firearm or the ammunition shall be stored in a locked container.
According to actual Rhode Island statute, the method of transport is exactly the same as in Federal law which requires neither disassembly of the firearm, nor locking up of the firearm (if it is not in the passenger compartment), nor the separation of ammunition from the firearm.

According to Rhode Island statute 11-47-51, magazines for rifles and shotguns must be unloaded in a vehicle:

11-47-51

§ 11-47-51 Loaded weapons in vehicles. – It is unlawful for any person to have in his or her possession a loaded rifle or loaded shotgun or a rifle or shotgun from the magazine of which all shells and cartridges have not been removed in or on any vehicle or conveyance or its attachments while upon or along any public highway, road, lane, or trail within this state
Anyway, do whatever you feel has to be done to get out of Rhode Island! Best of luck to you...
 

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Why bother? You are moving and leaving the state of RI. Put them in a safe and secure place in your vehicle and....GO! Once you arrive in NC, you can straighten things out!
 

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Why bother? You are moving and leaving the state of RI. Put them in a safe and secure place in your vehicle and....GO! Once you arrive in NC, you can straighten things out!
Here's your answer.:yup:
(My wife and I have moved 25 times in 38 years.)
 

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You don`t need a FFl to move your guns here.Nor do you need to contact the sheriff in the county you are moving to.The only time the sheriff gets involved is when you want to buy a new handgun[you must have a pistol permit]and when you want to get your concealed carry permit.Y`all come on down south and play golf all year long.Hear?:wave:
 

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Hello to all----would appreciate your input.

I am moving from RI to NC mid January. I will be needing to ship my firearms from a FFL here in RI to a FFL near my NC destination for legal interstate transport. I plan on applying for my CCW in NC shortly after my arrival (no reciprocity with RI).

My question is this: Will I have any problems picking up my firearms from the NC FFL without 1st having a NC drivers license, NC CCW, NC safety course, or any established residency in the state?

Thanks and be well,

WJP9
It is not necessary for you to ship your guns from an FFL in RI to an FFL in NC or any other state. You already own the guns. As long as they are all registered you can quite easily ship them to yourself or another however you wish. You may Reference The ATF Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide (white book for FFL's) or call your local ATF field office. You can also pack the guns with your other belongings and transport them yourself. Passing through some states requires that your guns be locked and unloaded in a separate compartment from the drivers compartment. This usually means the trunk. In a pick-up truck, a utility box in the bed works well. In an SUV, the law get a bit muddy since there is no separate compartment. Many states have peaceful passage laws in place others do not. Check your route ahead with State Police of the state you pass through to make sure if in doubt.

UPS Ground will probably be least expensive method of shipping. You can also use USPS or FedEx Air. Ammo is best only be shipped by UPS Ground. Hasmat fees will apply.
 

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It is not necessary for you to ship your guns from an FFL in RI to an FFL in NC or any other state. You already own the guns. 1. As long as they are all registered you can quite easily ship them to yourself 2. or another 3. however you wish. You may Reference The ATF Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide (white book for FFL's) or call your local ATF field office. You can also pack the guns with your other belongings and transport them yourself. Passing through some states requires that your guns be locked and unloaded in a separate compartment from the drivers compartment. This usually means the trunk. In a pick-up truck, a utility box in the bed works well. In an SUV, the law get a bit muddy since there is no separate compartment. Many states have peaceful passage laws in place others do not. 4. Check your route ahead with State Police of the state you pass through to make sure if in doubt.

5. UPS Ground will probably be least expensive method of shipping. You can also 6. use USPS or FedEx Air. Ammo is best only be shipped by UPS Ground. 7. Hasmat fees will apply.
1. There is no gun registration in Rhode Island, nor in North Carolina (except Durham County requires handguns to be registered once residency is established there).

2. It is a violation of Federal law to ship a firearm to a resident of another state. The firearm(s) may be shipped to oneself, in care of another person, but not to just "anyone else".

3. Private parties cannot mail handguns via USPS. FEDEX and UPS all have company policies regulating their method of shipping. Whether you choose to follow their company policies is up to you, but you can't just ship firearms "however you wish".

4. There is no need to check with the state police of different states. 18 USC 926a, Firearms Owners Protection Act, overrides state law and as long as the requirements of 18 USC 926a are met, everything should be easy with no hassle.

5. Again, UPS has it's company policies regarding shipping of firearms. If you want to follow their policy, UPS ground is not an option for handguns.

6. Only FFL's can mail handguns via USPS.

7. "HASMAT" fees do NOT apply to small arms ammunition. Neither do HAZMAT fees.
 

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Whay chane them getting lost in the postal service. When I moved to NC from Communist CA I simply loaded my entire gun safe in the 18 wheeler and off we went!! I also had about 15K loaded rounds of ammunition and 16lbs of powder, 10K of various primers!!! But it was all locked in the 18 wheeler and my buddy was the truck driver. Where are you moving to in NC? You will love it here!! Best move I ever did for my family, it's awesome living in a FREE state!!!

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