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One thing I have learned from this current Prez. is that he does not like when others disagree with him. I believe in his mind, he is doing what the people want him to do. I for one am highly disappointed by his actions on more than one occasion. He has shown his true colors in his second term. To be honest, I can not wait for him to leave and for the country to get back on some sort of track.....
 

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The article is good. I believe the statements below identify a deliberate attempt by the current administration to garner support for their gun control initiatives. Emotion is a very primitive response that trumps logic (This is covered with great examples in the book, "Deep Survival: Who Lives, Who Dies, and Why" by Laurence Gonzales).

So, if you can hook someone emotionally - before they have an opportunity to consider the logic behind their proposals, you have a better opportunity to completely bypass logic. Once that happens facts become far less important - which is especially meaningful in a situation like this where the facts don't support their assertions (the link at the bottom of the page is a good example of this). From my perspective this practice is immoral, especially since it is so deliberate, has been repeated with great frequency, and seems to marginalize the victims and their families as they transformed to political tools.

"My second argument is that there is nothing to be learned from the Sandy Hook parents’ support of more gun control. That support is neither morally nor intellectually persuasive. Its appeal is entirely emotional."

Disarming Realities: As Gun Sales Soar, Gun Crimes Plummet - Forbes
 

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Good article.
 

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The article is good. I believe the statements below identify a deliberate attempt by the current administration to garner support for their gun control initiatives. Emotion is a very primitive response that trumps logic (This is covered with great examples in the book, "Deep Survival: Who Lives, Who Dies, and Why" by Laurence Gonzales).

So, if you can hook someone emotionally - before they have an opportunity to consider the logic behind their proposals, you have a better opportunity to completely bypass logic. Once that happens facts become far less important - which is especially meaningful in a situation like this where the facts don't support their assertions (the link at the bottom of the page is a good example of this). From my perspective this practice is immoral, especially since it is so deliberate, has been repeated with great frequency, and seems to marginalize the victims and their families as they transformed to political tools.

"My second argument is that there is nothing to be learned from the Sandy Hook parents’ support of more gun control. That support is neither morally nor intellectually persuasive. Its appeal is entirely emotional."

Disarming Realities: As Gun Sales Soar, Gun Crimes Plummet - Forbes
That is a deep and moving article.
Excellent comments. And the link seems to highlight that Obama challenged the facts and the civility of us citizens - pitting those clinging to their guns and religion against the ones' in Obamerica - and lost. Over the last 20 years gun sales are up and gun crimes are down.
[R]esearchers observed that the huge amount of attention devoted to gun violence incidents in the media has caused most Americans to be unaware that gun crime is “strikingly down” from 20 years ago. In fact, gun-related homicides in the late 2000s were “equal to those not seen since the early 1960s.” Yet their survey found that 56 percent believed gun-related crime is higher, 26 percent believed it stayed about the same, and 6 percent didn’t know. Only 12 percent of those polled thought it was lower.
 

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At least 7 children drowned in the basement of a school in Oklahoma. I guess we should either ban basements, or tornados.
 

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Remember the uproar when the NRA pointed out that Big O's kids attend a school that has armed security? And how long did it take him to put the poor parents of lost kids and survivors on center stage?
 

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At least 7 children drowned in the basement of a school in Oklahoma. I guess we should either ban basements, or tornados.
That is one twisted analogy.
 

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One thing I have learned from this current Prez. is that he does not like when others disagree with him. I believe in his mind, he is doing what the people want him to do. I for one am highly disappointed by his actions on more than one occasion. He has shown his true colors in his second term. To be honest, I can not wait for him to leave and for the country to get back on some sort of track.....
He does believe this. The problem lies in that he does not seem capable of understanding that, when he is blocked from passing his agenda, that those blocking it are in turn doing the will of their constituents. They just have a much smaller base of constituents.
 

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At least 7 children drowned in the basement of a school in Oklahoma. I guess we should either ban basements, or tornados.
That is one twisted analogy.
Yet, it points out the essential stupidity and vile evil of the logic being attempted with bans on firearms, on possession or carry by upstanding citizens. Damage from tornadoes and related damage such as broken pipes causes death, now and then, but seeking to ban tornadoes or basements is about as pointless and misguided as banning guns or knives simply because the occasional felon decides to go off his meds. It's the epitome of refusal to require that personal responsibility means something, that those responsible for actions are the threat, and that sometimes crappy things happen in spite of good intentions.

As for the tornado destruction in OK, it's sad to have the tornado pass, only to have a basement flood and drown its occupants. Even if well-designed and heavily reinforced, something like this could still happen in such an extreme situation. Who knows whether the design of the space was a design failure. I'm sure that'll be explored as part of the evaluation of what happened there.
 

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The really pernicious thing about these tactics is how they close off rational argument. The role of weapons in civilized society is a complex issue that requires serious thought and debate to understand, and many people just don't want to make the effort, so when they see grieving parents put on display, it gives them an excuse to turn off their minds and join the anti-gun herd. It's hard for data and rational argument to get past this effect. That's what Obama and company were counting on - how else to explain the fact that they used these parents to push legislation that would obviously have had no impact on their particular tragedy? Two minutes of critical thought makes it clear that the so-called "gun-show loophole" had nothing at all to do with that shooting. Fortunately the American people are not (quite) so easily fooled.
 
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That is one twisted analogy.
And yet at least one politician is blaming others for, among other things "cyclones in OK". Yes, he is trying to walk it back, but it is or there.

“When cyclones tear up Oklahoma and hurricanes swamp Alabama and wildfires scorch Texas, you come to us, the rest of the country, for billions of dollars to recover. And the damage that your polluters and deniers are doing doesn’t just hit Oklahoma and Alabama and Texas. It hits Rhode Island with floods and storms. It hits Oregon with acidified seas. It hits Montana with dying forests. So, like it or not, we’re in this together.”
Read more: Democratic senator apologizes for citing Okla. tornadoes in climate change speech | Fox News
 

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One thing I have learned from this current Prez. is that he does not like when others disagree with him. I believe in his mind, he is doing what the people want him to do. I for one am highly disappointed by his actions on more than one occasion. He has shown his true colors in his second term. To be honest, I can not wait for him to leave and for the country to get back on some sort of track.....
I agree with most of what Harryball said except one thing. Obama doesnt think hes doing what the people want him to do. He would have to blind deaf and stupid to believe that. He is doing what he and small group of politicians want to do which is become dictators while using the BIG LIE that 90 percent of the people agree with him to convince 20 percent to actually be fooled into agreeing with him.
 

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The really pernicious thing about these tactics is how they close off rational argument. The role of weapons in civilized society is a complex issue that requires serious thought and debate to understand, and many people just don't want to make the effort, so when they see grieving parents put on display, it gives them an excuse to turn off their minds and join the anti-gun herd. It's hard for data and rational argument to get past this effect. That's what Obama and company were counting on - how else to explain the fact that they used these parents to push legislation that would obviously have had no impact on their particular tragedy? Two minutes of critical thought makes it clear that the so-called "gun-show loophole" had nothing at all to do with that shooting. Fortunately the American people are not (quite) so easily fooled.
I would respectfully submit that the role of weapons in a civilized society isnt complex at all nor requires any debate or serious thought. The role of violent criminals yes. The role of inanimate objects that can do nothing by themselves and the right of the people to keep and bear a constitutionally protected right, no.
 
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