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I went to dinner at my VFW POST 10694 Santa Ana California last night and when I walked in the door there were three shady people I never saw before.
So I take notice of them and proceed to the bar (not drinking) just to hang with my comrades and eat dinner.
It turns out the three people are homeless and mooching a free dinner from my post. The guy said he was a vet (probably a BCD vet if you know what I mean) not to mention that he's wearing a pentagram on his jacket.
Satan worshiper.
He wanted money from the post and all but, we have to vote on stuff like that.
I was packing my little .38 spl because my xd subcompact is at the factory having night sights installed. I tell you what I am glad I have a permit to carry in California now.
This was the first time I really was glad that I was carrying.
Although they did end up leaving...they said they would come back on Tuesday to see if we vote to give them money.
Then it will be even better because two of us will be packing then.
My Friends dad is a member of the post and a retired LAPD officer.
Believe me if the guy started any "fecal matter" with any of my bros I would have drawn down on him.
My comrades would back me up 100% in a situation like that.
Besides, who are the cops going to believe a room full of combat veterans or some homeless scum bag drug addict from off the street?
 

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Yeah, let us know what happens!
 

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We want to know
 

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Am I missing something ?? Howd they get in the door ?? We have a outter door and a inner door that is always locked. The active members have a key. Guests ring the buzzer and the duty master at arms answers the inner door. This system works great. -------
 

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Glad someone there can pack anyways!!

Mind you too - just thinking of GG's vs BG's - lots against 3 ain't very good odds for them!! Different I guess if any of them were packing.
 

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Never a good idea to give anyone anything, I'm sure there are some tasks they could perform for the cash they requested. If someone has to earn the money, they may not ask again....
 

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Never a good idea to give anyone anything, I'm sure there are some tasks they could perform for the cash they requested. If someone has to earn the money, they may not ask again....
Reminds me of a picture from my great-grandparents farm. Emigrated from Italy. Had a large farm where, I'm told, migrants routinely stopped by to be fed. They had a sign out front that said "No work, no eat!"
 

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dimmak said:
Never a good idea to give anyone anything, I'm sure there are some tasks they could perform for the cash they requested.
Well said, dimmak! :hand10:

They may require close supervision, though :image035:
 

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our business meeting is tommorrow and no we wont approve the money if they show up i know i will second the motion not to give it to them. only a hand full of regular members were there on friday incuding the post comander. we have doors that lockfor the bar and meeting room but the kitchen is open to anyone if they just walk in.
 

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A friend of mine has a small buisness in the house construction/remodeling industry. He has told me that when he has stopped at a interstate on/off ramp and see's one of those,"homeless or vet.,need food and shelter" people,he has asked quite a few if they want to come to his buisness and sweep floors,all have said NO. Most,most,want food,shelter,money,but work for it ??? NO WAY ! -------
 

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yeah i left out the fact the guy wanted a beer also my comander didnt give him one. i hope he doesnt show up tommorrow but if he does there will be two of us packing heat.
 

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I too am a Vet, DAV, VFW. Not to flame on you, but I doubt those guys would have really wanted to start a rumble with a room full of Vets. Secondly, did you even talk to him to see if he was a vet. We have many of us homeless and in the streets and that is irregardless if he had a pentagram on or not.

I would have engaged him in conversation and found out what the deal was. Secondy, I am not familiar with the term BCD, please enlighten me. Lets, not be so quick to end some ones life that really may need some help. Secondly, point him in the right direction. They have many places to help homeless Vets that have drug problems or just need some support.
 

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Bad Conduct Discharge, more than likely.

I'd like to know the story, before passing any sort of judgement.

I'm much more inclined to help a man feed himself than to simply feed him. Even so, what's left of my heart hasn't turned completely to stone. . . Yet.

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Yeah, we have homeless "vets" here also. Seem every single one of them was in vietnam.

I know taht alot of young people joined the military back then but egads I didn't realize that the military was taking in pre-schoolers as well as those in middle school.

No, I don't feel for these people anymore. They want thier drugs and their booze and could care less about working an honest days work in their life. I figure that I already "give" them enough with their free health care, food stamps, the many things that they've stolen from me, etc..

They are parasites and should be squashed. The ones that actually want help and seek it I'm willing to give ONE chance and that is it. If they fail, the hell with them.

I know I sound like a cold hearted SOB but I work hard for what I get, I have to pay my OWN medical bills, and I have to buy my own food. I'm tired of these people stealing my hard earned money as well as my property and then want more.

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Someone who had the integrity to serve their country would also have the integrity to buckle down and look for some kind of honest means of getting ahead if they were down on their luck. I don't buy the "homeless vet" story. I see way too many of them for one thing!
 

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I concur, with most that was said, and I also see too many calling themselves vets. That's why I suggested directing them to places like the DAV or Vet Hospitals for help. Secondly, drug head or not I am pro Veteran because unless who have served you really would not understand. Now if they just want a hand out and don't want to work that is totally different.
 

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Blue,

If they were true vets then yes, I do the same as you, direct them to the VA.

But, as I've mentioned, unless they went into the military around 5 to 10 years of age, I'm not buying their story.

Some of the older ones could have been but when I ask questions, they have no idea what I'm talking about, because they weren't there. I wasn't either but my father was and even though he spoke very little about his tours, he still said alot (if you know what I mean).

Oh, and around here don't let them "work" for you. They expect Oregon min. wage (which is high) and will do about 5 min. of work and then sit around drugging/drinking and then demand money. If you don't pay they rob you blind, sometimes directly. Happened to a neighbor of mine.

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I'm in agreement BlueLion.

BlueLion said:
I concur, with most that was said, and I also see too many calling themselves vets. That's why I suggested directing them to places like the DAV or Vet Hospitals for help. Secondly, drug head or not I am pro Veteran because unless who have served you really would not understand. Now if they just want a hand out and don't want to work that is totally different.
I would suggest you hand them some information about where and what agencies to get help from and politely send them on their way. I'm not sure from the orginal post what they did to provoke having a gun drawn on them.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like panhandlers and the majority I know have drug or alcohol abuse problems that I am not particualry simpathetic with. Also most carry some sort of weapon from living on the streets. But you can't shoot them for that unless they threaten your life in some way.
 

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As a Christian and an EMT, I like to think I have a great deal of compassion for others. I would do anything to help someone. But I do agree that the Lord helps those who helps themselves and directing them to the appropriate place to get that help seems fair. But it never hurts to give someone a sandwich, either. Even if their intentions are wrong, yours would be right. That person might be a bum --- or an angel.
 
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