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Senator Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ) introduced the Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009 (S. 1317) on June 22, 2009. The summary states:

"Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009 - Amends the federal criminal code to authorize the Attorney General to deny the transfer of a firearm or the issuance of a firearms or explosives license or permit (or revoke such license or permit) if the Attorney General: (1) determines that the transferee is known (or appropriately suspected) to be engaged in terrorism or has provided material support or resources for terrorism; and (2) has a reasonable belief that the transferee may use a firearm in connection with terrorism. Allows any individual whose firearms or explosives license application has been denied to bring legal action to challenge the denial.

Extends the prohibition against the sale or distribution of firearms or explosives to include individuals whom the Attorney General has determined to be engaged in terrorist activities. Imposes criminal penalties on individuals engaged in terrorist activities who smuggle or knowingly bring firearms into the United States.

Authorizes the Attorney General to withhold information in firearms and explosives license denial revocation law suits and from employers if the Attorney General determines that the disclosure of such information would likely compromise national security."​

Lautenberg's Bill has no sponsors and has been referred to the Judiciary Committee. However, Representative Peter King (D-NY) introduced HR 2459 on April 29, 2009. King's bill has 11 sponsors and has been referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.

While these bills sound like Bills we could all support, don't forget about the Terrorist Watch List that has had notible people on it such as Ted Kennedy and Al Gore, not to mention the other 1,000,000 people it lists. This is a secret list that we cannot see. However, it catches people as they check in at airports and subjects those to screenings not otherwise required.

The point is, we don't know if our name is on that list or not. If it is, then these bills could effectively prevent anyone of us from owning a firearm. Taken into consideration with the Department of Homeland Security's Report of Right Wing of April 7, 2009, this is frightening. Is this a back door approach to a gun ban? Who knows.

Be sure to let your Congressmen know you do not support either of these bills.

Here are links to:

King's Bill Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
Lautenberg's Bill Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
Right Wing Extremism Report: DHS Report on Right Wing Extremism
 

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Senator Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ) introduced the Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009 (S. 1317) on June 22, 2009. The summary states:

"Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009 - Amends the federal criminal code to authorize the Attorney General to deny the transfer of a firearm or the issuance of a firearms or explosives license or permit (or revoke such license or permit) if the Attorney General: (1) determines that the transferee is known (or appropriately suspected) to be engaged in terrorism or has provided material support or resources for terrorism; and (2) has a reasonable belief that the transferee may use a firearm in connection with terrorism. Allows any individual whose firearms or explosives license application has been denied to bring legal action to challenge the denial.

Extends the prohibition against the sale or distribution of firearms or explosives to include individuals whom the Attorney General has determined to be engaged in terrorist activities. Imposes criminal penalties on individuals engaged in terrorist activities who smuggle or knowingly bring firearms into the United States.

Authorizes the Attorney General to withhold information in firearms and explosives license denial revocation law suits and from employers if the Attorney General determines that the disclosure of such information would likely compromise national security."​

Lautenberg's Bill has no sponsors and has been referred to the Judiciary Committee. However, Representative Peter King (D-NY) introduced HR 2459 on April 29, 2009. King's bill has 11 sponsors and has been referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.

While these bills sound like Bills we could all support, don't forget about the Terrorist Watch List that has had notible people on it such as Ted Kennedy and Al Gore, not to mention the other 1,000,000 people it lists. This is a secret list that we cannot see. However, it catches people as they check in at airports and subjects those to screenings not otherwise required.

The point is, we don't know if our name is on that list or not. If it is, then these bills could effectively prevent anyone of us from owning a firearm. Taken into consideration with the Department of Homeland Security's Report of Right Wing of April 7, 2009, this is frightening. Is this a back door approach to a gun ban? Who knows.

Be sure to let your Congressmen know you do not support either of these bills.

Here are links to:

King's Bill Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
Lautenberg's Bill Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
Right Wing Extremism Report: DHS Report on Right Wing Extremism
Not to mention its another bill to add to the kingship of the AG. Once again we're putting all our eggs in one basket and passing it off to the AG. Really brilliant:rolleyes:
 

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Sometimes we do not see all that is really in a bill.
Look up the Huges Amendment of 1986,Hughes was a liberal democrat from NJ.His amendment to a bill was over looked and was passed.It shold be overturned.It was called the Firearm Owners' Protection Act of 1986,and bassically took away more of our rights once passed.We need to keep an eye on those introducing these types of bills.NJ,NY,CA,MA,DC,RI,IL.Home of the biggest anti 2nd amendment politicans.The vote for this FOPA was taken at night when most of those opposed to the bill would not be present to vote.
 

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"Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009 - Amends the federal criminal code to authorize the Attorney General to deny the transfer of a firearm or the issuance of a firearms or explosives license or permit (or revoke such license or permit) if the Attorney General: (1) determines that the transferee is known (or appropriately suspected) to be engaged in terrorism or has provided material support or resources for terrorism; and (2) has a reasonable belief that the transferee may use a firearm in connection with terrorism. Allows any individual whose firearms or explosives license application has been denied to bring legal action to challenge the denial.​


I have not read the entirety of the bill but the concept is one we should all support. Often, terrorists are not prosecuted properly because we do not have the appropriate tools in place.

As we encourage and welcome terrorists in the US because of the planned closing of Guantanamo, we should definitely apply every legislative tool to prosecute the enemy rather than extend them rights reserved for Americans.​
 

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As we encourage and welcome terrorists in the US because of the planned closing of Guantanamo, we should definitely apply every legislative tool to prosecute the enemy rather than extend them rights reserved for Americans.
Agreed,unfortunately some legislation results in the hindering of the rights of Americans.The Patriot Act could be used by a tyrannical government to disarm and control its people.I have read very little about this and I need to inform myself futher.The Act that is proposed seems sound and righteous,However I would like to read the entire propsal.There may be some ulterior motives in this legislation that may result in more harm to decent Americans.
 

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I have not read the entirety of the bill but the concept is one we should all support. Often, terrorists are not prosecuted properly because we do not have the appropriate tools in place.
You mean we can't prove they are terrorists?

As we encourage and welcome terrorists in the US because of the planned closing of Guantanamo, we should definitely apply every legislative tool to prosecute the enemy rather than extend them rights reserved for Americans.
The main job of the Federal Government is to protect our borders. It seems more and more they refuse to allocate the funds and manpower to do that job. Instead they wait till the threat is within our borders then enact laws that affect the honest citizens as well as the illegals.

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Agreed,unfortunately some legislation results in the hindering of the rights of Americans.The Patriot Act could be used by a tyrannical government to disarm and control its people.
We do not have a tyrannical government. We have a representative republic. A tyrannical government has no need for laws.

The Patriot Act is important, necessary legislation that has demonstrably saved American lives and prevented terrorist attacks.

There may be some ulterior motives in this legislation that may result in more harm to decent Americans.
More harm? That implies harm. What harm?

Have you stopped beating your wife?
 

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You mean we can't prove they are terrorists?
We could not prove Capone was a racketeer and murderer. We did prove he failed to file his taxes.

Instead they wait till the threat is within our borders then enact laws that affect the honest citizens as well as the illegals.
How does a law against transferring arms to terrorists affect honest citizens?
 

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You need to read the Patriot Act! I said what may happen with a tyrannical government! Nazi Germany was a tyrannical government that certainly had laws!! Read the Enabling Act passed by the Nazi's. You askHow does a law against transferring arms to terrorists affect honest citizens? READ THE FOPA OF 1986! You sir need to go back and re-read the post's in this thread.
You need to open your eyes!
 

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We do not have a tyrannical government. We have a representative republic. A tyrannical government has no need for laws.
A tyrannical government has a vast overreaching of laws to control the population and keep it subserviant. That's why this government has earned this label as of late.
 

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You need to read the Patriot Act!I said what may happen with a tyrannical government!Nazi Germany was a tyrannical government that certainly had laws!!Read the Enabling Act passed by the Nazi's.You askHow does a law against transferring arms to terrorists affect honest citizens?READ THE FOPA OF 1986!
It is more than disgusting that you compare the United States to Nazi Germany. You should be ashamed of yourself.

You sir need to go back and re-read the post's in this thread.
Why? My reading comprehension is just fine.

You need to open your eyes!
Are you suggesting that you have omniscient powers that can see we live in Nazi Germany? Wow!
 

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A tyrannical government has a vast overreaching of laws to control the population and keep it subserviant. That's why this government has earned this label as of late.
Well said!It has been a long time since Americans have lived in a true represenitive republic!
 

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A tyrannical government has a vast overreaching of laws to control the population and keep it subserviant. That's why this government has earned this label as of late.
The ignorance concerning what a tyrannical government is is astounding. I suggest you review history. We live in a free society. Only fringe radicals think we live under tyranny.

I must be lucky. I have avoided being subservient and I live my life without violating the law and being controlled. Sorry you are having such a problem doing the same.
 

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Some are reduced to living under an illusion.
Iam not saying we live under some neo third reich,all that is said is we are losing freedoms and if it continues what we will have in the end is no better than that of Nazi Germany and Communist China.
 

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The Patriot Act has the power to allow a government to do what the Nazi Party did to the citizens of its country,disarmament.What we thought was a bill towards firearm freedom FOPA 1986 resulted in the loss of freedoms.I do not think there is an end till all is lost.
 

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Some are reduced to living under an illusion.
Iam not saying we live under some neo third reich,all that is said is we are losing freedoms and if it continues what we will have in the end is no better than that of Nazi Germany and Communist China.
Exactly and I take it as a badge of honor when someone thinks I'm on the fringe for looking to the founding fathers. Hell, all of us gun owners have already been labeled by this government as right wing extremists, so can someone please explain to me how this isn't verging on tyranny or at the least treason against our own people? This is a representative republic by the people and this government that we've lended our power to has the audacity to label us for exercising our rights? I still stand by my previous post.
 

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Thanks Torrid!The Patriot Act and the Enabling Act of 1933 both may allow a government to suspended civil liberties and habeas corpus rights.The Nazi's did just that!Those who do not learn from history are forced to repeat it.This is the point I am stating in this thread.It is not an attack on the United States!
 

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Law against transferring arms to terrorists affects honest citizens? You bet!

How does a law against transferring arms to terrorists affect honest citizens?
Easily. A terrorist used of was suspected of using weapon X - therefore honest citizens would be barred from owning, purchasing, transferring or otherwise dealing with weapon X. "It's an assault weapon that only terrorists use - why do you need it?"

disgusting ...... compare the United States to Nazi Germany
It pays to observe German history, in particular the fact that Germany wasn't "born" Nazi, and did not become Nazi "overnight". NSDAP came to power by gaining a victory in a democratic election, quite a reasonable process. And nobody in the beginning promised Dachau or Auswitz. The level and the "temperature" of the rhethorics was comparable.

So dear SelfDefense, try to control your disgust - emotions tend to cloud your thinking. Just sit tight and watch - you might see something familiar from the history files.
 

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Should be through Judicial Branch judgment ONLY

IMHO the ends do not justify the means and no constitutional right should ever be abridged in any way because some bureaucrat/administrative branch employee "suspected' something. :aargh4:
 

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Easily. A terrorist used of was suspected of using weapon X - therefore honest citizens would be barred from owning, purchasing, transferring or otherwise dealing with weapon X. "It's an assault weapon that only terrorists use - why do you need it?"
That is not what the snippet of legislation addressed. Of curse, once you work yourself up into an emotional frenzy, like the other two posters, then you will quickly see goblins around every corner.

It pays to observe German history, in particular the fact that Germany wasn't "born" Nazi, and did not become Nazi "overnight". NSDAP came to power by gaining a victory in a democratic election, quite a reasonable process.
I suggest you review German history. Hitler did nt take power by any democratic process.
And nobody in the beginning promised Dachau or Auswitz. The level and the "temperature" of the rhethorics was comparable.

So dear SelfDefense, try to control your disgust - emotions tend to cloud your thinking. Just sit tight and watch - you might see something familiar from the history files.
Yes, I will. I will see yet another in a ong line of Constitutional elections, every two years without exception.

What is frightening is the fringe that think we are ANYTHING like Nazi Germany. Most gun owners are normal. Others are afraid of their shadow.
 
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