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Hello all. I live in New Jersey. As most of you probably know, this state is pretty harsh when it comes to gun laws. Especially pertianing to who they issue CCW permits to. I work for a company that buys jewelry. We are NJ licensed and bonded. I often carry ten to twenty thousand dollars of cash on me, on top of jewelry. Its not often, but there are times that I am in a location which makes me feel uncomfortable. My question is this. Do any of you NJ non LEO's have a NJ issued CCW permit? If so, how did you obtain one? What do you think the chances of me obtaining one is. I often hear of people getting denied, even if they do carry around lots of cash. Does someone actually have to stick a gun in my face for me to be considered as having justifiable need? Which I hope to God never happens.

Any feedback would be much appreciated. Thanks folks.

Oh how I envy those of you from Texas or Vermont.....
 

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I do not know about NJ but I would bet that you would qualify for a CCW for while you are at work. Work can be at anytime aroudn the clock. Now if you are sitting in a movie theather and then SHTF happens it will be hard to explain but you will be alive.
 

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Hello all. I live in New Jersey. As most of you probably know, this state is pretty harsh when it comes to gun laws. Especially pertianing to who they issue CCW permits to. I work for a company that buys jewelry. We are NJ licensed and bonded. I often carry ten to twenty thousand dollars of cash on me, on top of jewelry. Its not often, but there are times that I am in a location which makes me feel uncomfortable. My question is this. Do any of you NJ non LEO's have a NJ issued CCW permit? If so, how did you obtain one? What do you think the chances of me obtaining one is. I often hear of people getting denied, even if they do carry around lots of cash. Does someone actually have to stick a gun in my face for me to be considered as having justifiable need? Which I hope to God never happens.

Any feedback would be much appreciated. Thanks folks.

Oh how I envy those of you from Texas or Vermont.....
NJ is tough. The only CCW permit holders I knew there were ex-military officers or ex-police. All you can do is apply and plead your case to the judge. You may be able to get a work permit.
 

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My father was a jeweler and had a permit in L.A. , I think that you should get one, you never know though, unfortunately.
 

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From NJ too!

I own a jewelry store. Its not likely you will get one. I kno of one person who deals with lots of cash, non LE, who recieved his. he was robbed and roughed up a bit. He went through all the motions of getting CCL class's etc., then qualified with his carry piece. he filled application and sent it in. I think it helped that a friend of his, prosecuter in town called the judge handeling it. he still has to qualify every two years. i think the best thing he had going for him was that he did have a problem. better late then never. although, i know he would trade his CCL in, to go back in time, and take those bad memories away, if he knew he would never have anouther problem. I personally carry at work, in the store only!!!! If you are not the owner of the business, I dont think you are allowed. Or maybe you need written consent from the owner. Not sure!
 

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I feel for you. I was born there and left for California when i was 26. Frying pan to fire...I know.

In Ca, you have to complete the thick application and answer all the essay questions. Then pay your (back then) $250 non-refundable application fee.

I never received one for whatever reason, but i tried!

One thing that I learned from that process is this; you have to show in your essay questions that not only are you a target (because everyone is), but you are the Target of all the Target's. The Sheriff's in those anti states don't care that you walk around with $20k of cash and goods.

Be prepared to answer question like: <paraphrase> What incident happened to you in the past that makes you walk around thinking your gonna get wacked at any second?

Recommendations:
1. Forget about all that 2A, its my right stuff. It will get you nowhere.

2. In your writing you need to give the impression that you are "on your knees begging"

3. In your application and your essay questions, you need to get the point across that (in the utmost humble manner) that if my permit isn't granted, It will only be days until I'm either dead or seriously injured....and if that happens its YOUR FAULT because i am a law abiding citizen.

4. Copy every page of your application before submitting it.

5. When (I mean "if") your denied, take your denial letter and application to your congress person and give them the same "blurb" as above, only this time it will be their fault if he/she doesn't pick up the phone and call the sheriff.

6. Also, keep in the back of your head when dealing with congress ppl; about 55% of all Dem's in office have CCW's, and the other 45% know that they can pick up the phone and the next day have one issued to them.

You gotta try!!! Good luck
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I own a jewelry store. Its not likely you will get one. I kno of one person who deals with lots of cash, non LE, who recieved his. he was robbed and roughed up a bit. He went through all the motions of getting CCL class's etc., then qualified with his carry piece. he filled application and sent it in. I think it helped that a friend of his, prosecuter in town called the judge handeling it. he still has to qualify every two years. i think the best thing he had going for him was that he did have a problem. better late then never. although, i know he would trade his CCL in, to go back in time, and take those bad memories away, if he knew he would never have anouther problem. I personally carry at work, in the store only!!!! If you are not the owner of the business, I dont think you are allowed. Or maybe you need written consent from the owner. Not sure!
Are you in NJ?

Thanks for allt he answers everyone. I'm trying to be proactive here. Especially since I know my employers have been robbed at gunpoint doing the same thing I do now.
 

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Only a few days ago here in Florida a family friend who is a jeweler was robbed by two men at gunpoint in the parking lot heading into his store. They had been watching him for days as they had his routine down to the second.

Their arrival and getaway cars (the arrival car was abandoned after the hit) were both stolen a few days before in a rough area of town. Its estimated he lost nearly four times what you carry in a day.

You can't be too careful. Best of luck to you... I'd urge you to consider residence in a less liberal state... one more concerned with your personal well-being.
 

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Good luck! Sounds as though you're gonna need it. Bloody shame that an honest man has to actually become the victim of a crime in order to be able to exercise his God given rights. Maybe someday you'll be able to put some politicians with some common sense in power this next election cycle.
 

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The process begins with your application filed with your jurisdiction's police chief. If approved, it goes to a county judge. My impression is that no one wants to be the one that approved a CCW application in NJ. How long have you lived in your town? Do you have any political relationships? As distasteful as it may seem, you may have to demonstrate "roots" and have others speak on your behalf to even have a chance. You might schedule an informational meeting with the chief to learn more about the "process" but, at the same time, feeling him out as to his inclination, rather than applying and getting turned down, which you will then have to note on all future applications.

Separately, if you are a member of the Association of NJ Rifle & Pistol Clubs (Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs) you can speak for free with one of their counsel, including Evan Knappen, one of the more knowledgeable attorneys with respect to NJ firearms laws. Bottom line is that it is a long shot at best but there are some things you can do to increase your chances from flat zero. Good luck.
 
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