New Pistol Caliber Carbine

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PAcanis

Discussion Starter · Feb 24, 2017

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I added one of those Japanese lever actions to my western guns last night. This one is in 45 Colt.
I had been looking hard at adding another Uberti, but the 16" Trapper models are scarce and those that have them on GB apparently aren't in any hurry to sell them. Uberti's have gotten a little big for their britches lately anyway when it comes to pricing. IMO. So why not get one of those new Winchesters made by Miroku for a little more?

Fit and finish is pretty good. I can find a flaw or two if I look hard. And did. The action seems smooth, but it's still tight of course. The military type ladder rear sight is different. It's not even numbered with anything usable. Unless "5" is supposed to mean 500 and so forth. A 500 yard shot with 45 Colt. OK. lol
I expected a little more from the wood being a Deluxe model, but it's nice. It's a nice departure from the reddish finish of the Italian guns.

I'll put some rounds through it today. Until then here's too many pics.

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wsquared

· #2 · Feb 24, 2017

I think that the .45 LC is one of the most under-rated cartridges when you start looking at stout loads and a lever gun that can handle them. That's a fine looking blaster!

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bmcgilvray

· #3 · Feb 24, 2017

The .45 Colt is underrated even at original factory load velocities. 255 grain lead .45 caliber bullets at quite useful velocities have a certain charm all their own and will successfully conclude most reasonably handgunning chores.

I gotta be away for the weekend PAcanis, but I'd love to see a review of your new original Winchester branded Model 1873. Who'd a thunk Winchester would, or could sell its Model 1873 in 2017, 144 years after the model was introduced. It's still quite lively and useful. It's a repeating rifle and quick too, shooting ammunition with effective short-range terminal ballistics.

I always love seeing color case hardening. Your photos indicate what appears to be a pretty good blue finish. The wood seems pretty nice, almost better than the finish allows it to be. Wonder if it was redone with an old-fashioned oil finish would figured wood really "pop" and appear a bit more "vintage?"

I love the lines of the Model 1873 action. It looks the most "Winchester-y" to me rather than the Model 94. Of course it was really the Model 1873 which "won the West."

That shorty version sure would look good riding around on my pickup seat when I cruise the roads within our old family place. Would be handy if I was hiking through the mostly wooded, brushy place. Of course it wouldn't stay looking so bright after much use.

Oh yeah!

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ghost tracker

· #4 · Feb 24, 2017

PAc, that's a pretty as a box of bird dog puppies! Well Done! :congrats:

I've had a Browning/Miroku "Winchester 92" in .44 mag. What a peach! Is there a technique or gunsmith that "short-strokes" that '73 for the SASS crowd? :image035:

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PAcanis

Discussion Starter · #5 · Feb 24, 2017

ghost tracker said:
PAc, that's a pretty as a box of bird dog puppies! Well Done! :congrats:

I've had a Browning/Miroku "Winchester 92" in .44 mag. What a peach! Is there a technique or gunsmith that "short-strokes" that '73 for the SASS crowd? :image035:

Cody Connagher (sp?) will work them. He's the one that does the Uberti Commanchero, too.
One of the reviews I read said that he prefers the internals of the Winchester. That they seem better quality. I'll probably leave it stock though. Or maybe add a large loop lever to it like the Trapper model Tom Cruise uses in the beginning of The Last Samuai :wink:

The action needs broken in. It's smooth, but hangs up a little on what feels like the second stage of the hammer going back. If it doesn't break in to my liking I may send it away. Being a limited edition I'd like to skip that though. Or at least be able to change it back.

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HoustonB77

· #6 · Feb 24, 2017

Man I like that!!!! I wondered why you where hinting that you needed to load more 45LC

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OD*

· #7 · Feb 24, 2017

I had been looking hard at adding another Uberti, but the 16" Trapper models are scarce and those that have them on GB apparently aren't in any hurry to sell them.

You having both, I'm positive you'll find the Miroku of much better overall quality too.

That is an absolute beauty! :35:

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PAcanis

Discussion Starter · #8 · Feb 24, 2017

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Thanks guys.
It's slicking right up. It's amazing how much better actually shooting the gun breaks it in over simply cocking and dry firing.

I've got about 50 rounds through it... down to my last half a box of Fiocchi CAS loads :frown:... and it was hitting to the right just a little. So a bunch of back and forth tapping (I didn't have to move the rear sight as much as I thought) and I think I'm good to go.

Here's 6 at 15yds offhand before adjusting.

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Then 5 at 25 offhand before adjusting (circled), adjust and 3 at 10.

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Adjust some more and 3 at 15 again offhand

And 2 at 15 rested (aiming at the H). Should be good for now.

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Notice how my shot count kept getting lower and lower? I don't like being completely out of ammo for any give gun :yup:
So yes, time to think about reloading for it.

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bmcgilvray

· #9 · Feb 24, 2017

Big heavy lead making big fat holes.

I agree that guns seem to break in through shooting use best. Handling and dry-firing while watching TV just isn't the same.

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10thmtn

· #10 · Feb 24, 2017

With that rear sight, you could shoot some indirect fire!

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PAcanis

Discussion Starter · #11 · Feb 24, 2017

10thmtn said:
With that rear sight, you could shoot some indirect fire!

Yeah, I'll have to play around with it and see where I can realistically lob them in from :rofl:

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PAcanis

Discussion Starter · #12 · Feb 24, 2017

bmcgilvray said:
Big heavy lead making big fat holes.

I agree that guns seem to break in through shooting use best. Handling and dry-firing while watching TV just isn't the same.

Hey, Bryan, I'll have to pull my snake through it a few times now to clean it.
You know, so I'm not pushing all that gunk back into the breech and loading mechanism :wink:

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maxwell97

· #13 · Feb 24, 2017

10thmtn said:
With that rear sight, you could shoot some indirect fire!

I'm not sure how it relates to this model, but I've heard that was the concept behind such sights on military rifles of the later 19th century. The idea wasn't to hit a target at 500 yards, but for a formation to put massed fire on an enemy formation at that range. I could see that being quite effective, at least with something like .45-70 - not so sure about .45 LC.

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bmcgilvray

· #14 · Feb 24, 2017

Volley fire with the .45 Colt, even from 500 yards, would be most unpleasant if one was standing in a bullet's path.

PAcanis, you just make sure you use a clean snake for each pass, remembering the used toilet paper analogy all the while, hah!

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maxwell97

· #15 · Feb 24, 2017

bmcgilvray said:
Volley fire with the .45 Colt, even from 500 yards, would be most unpleasant if one was standing in a bullet's path.

Did a back-of-the-iPhone calculation - I figure .45 Colt from a pistol could still be going at over 500 fps at 500 yards? So from a carbine, probably much faster. Certainly enough to make it worth lobbing at the bad guys!

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Tundra5.7

· #16 · Feb 25, 2017

Great looking Winchester!

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ghost tracker

· #17 · Feb 25, 2017

bmcgilvray said:
Volley fire with the .45 Colt, even from 500 yards, would be most unpleasant if one was standing in a bullet's path.

At 500 yards, the .45 Colt isn't "aimed-fire", it's...artillery! :biggrin2:

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MisterMills357

· #18 · Feb 25, 2017

It looks great.

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