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That is patently crazy. Completely outside the realm of sound tax policy. That is akin to saying you are required to pay NY tax on your vacation pay if you go to NY for vacation.

Unenforceable, ludicrous, and doomed to failure in either Administrative Hearings or Courts.
Let me show you a calculation of what that looks like.
The average salary of a pulmonary and critical care physician is $250k.
So they make about 20.8k per month gross. NYS tax is about 8.8% and NYC tax is 2.8% on top of that.
So for a specialist volunteer who came to NYC for a month to help, they'd owe NY and NYC about $2600 for the privilege.
 

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It is long-standing state law actually. It is in most states.

They probably were subject to NYS and NYC withholding, whether or not it was actually withheld.

The law could be changed, but then you have another exception to fight over (equal application, uniformity) and that’s a mess.

A taxpayer filing those returns just added a new layer of complexity and cost to their annual filings.

Or they could tell NY to shove it.
That is patently crazy. Completely outside the realm of sound tax policy. That is akin to saying you are required to pay NY tax on your vacation pay if you go to NY for vacation.

Unenforceable, ludicrous, and doomed to failure in either Administrative Hearings or Courts.
Seize all of my NY property. Go ahead.

I have none.

See if he has any swing in another state. :blink:
I was hoping you would chime in on the tax question. :smile:
 

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Let me show you a calculation of what that looks like.
The average salary of a pulmonary and critical care physician is $250k.
So they make about 20.8k per month gross. NYS tax is about 8.8% and NYC tax is 2.8% on top of that.
So for a specialist volunteer who came to NYC for a month to help, they'd owe NY and NYC about $2600 for the privilege.
His argument has no merit. None. Nada. Zip.Zilch. He is dreaming.
 

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Chance are he won’t because with the latest approved pay raise he will make more than the President and there is no term limits for Governor in NY. Between NYC and those always vote Democrat who are blind to his corruption, he can continue his destruction of NY for as long as he likes. He would only be able to do it as President for 8 years and make less money.
I think anyone who runs for Prez is doing it for something besides money. Ego is the 1st thing that comes to mind.
 
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I don't think you get the gravity of it - they are saying that the volunteers would have to pay NY taxes even if they didn't earn a cent in NY. Most of those volunteers took their paid time off and vacation to go there. They weren't paid by the hospitals. What he's saying is that if your salary is x, and you volunteered for a month, you'd have to pay NY taxes for that period on your non-NY salary.
That is the law for two states that do not have tax reciprocity. When I was a consultant, I earned all my income in my home state, paid by my consulting firm. But if a worked in another state, I had to pay income tax in that state even though no entity in that state paid me a dime. However, you are not double-taxed. You file in both states and you take a deduction for the taxes you paid in the non-resident state. If the volunteers went to any other state that had state income tax and their home state did not have reciprocity, the situation would be the same.

Federal tax law allows for this. Did you think tax law always makes sense? FWIW, I think it is unfair too. My brother will be one of those people. And is Cuomo's bad for not making an exception. But it is the way it is. I would not expect anything different from NY, nor should anyone else.
 

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It does appear he's suffering through the early stages of dementia. What's sad, is that he will end up in a state where he won't realize how much of a loser he is. Some people deserve the fate they have, some don't. I feel sorry for those that get dealt a bad hand, but are decent people. I'll never feel sorry for Joe Biden or his wife and son. That family, the more you know about them, the more disgusted you get. Rotten apples all around.
I wish there was an "LOL" button because that made me laugh out loud.

It is long-standing state law actually. It is in most states.

They probably were subject to NYS and NYC withholding, whether or not it was actually withheld.

The law could be changed, but then you have another exception to fight over (equal application, uniformity) and that’s a mess.

A taxpayer filing those returns just added a new layer of complexity and cost to their annual filings.

Or they could tell NY to shove it.

I vote for the last option.
 

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I heard from some folks in the medical community NY was asking for volunteers to come up and help them out treating Corona cases, some were saying they could make $10K a month!

Well now the Gov wants his cut. If you came up there to help he wants to tax what you made even though you aren't a NY resident.

I really hope he tries to run for Prez one day.:ticking:

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2020/05/06/cuomo-gives-people-another-reason-to-hate-new-york-hell-tax-coronavirus-volunteers-n388520
It's not uncommon for states to require income tax from people who work in their sate but live in another state. But, that is if the person is earning a salary in that state. Based on the article, NY would require taxes on the salaries the people were earning back in their home state. I'm not sure how NY could enforce that. They are supposedly volunteers and would never be on a payroll within NY.

FYI: Professional athletes have to pay taxes based on every state (and sometimes counties/cities) in which they play.
 

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My son while working for Norwegian Cruise Line in the Hawaiian Islands for five months had to pay Hawaiian State income tax.
My opinion is that NY should vacate the tax for these volunteers who are not required to go there but do it out of goodness.
It is something that they can do legally and should do morally
 

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My son while working for Norwegian Cruise Line in the Hawaiian Islands for five months had to pay Hawaiian State income tax.
My opinion is that NY should vacate the tax for these volunteers who are not required to go there but do it out of goodness.
It is something that they can do legally and should do morally
Since when has NY cared about "legal" and "moral?" I am not being facetious. They don't. It is a completely self centered state.
 

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Cuomo's running a $13 billion deficit in New York. He tries to deflect any attention to this by pointing his fingers at everyone else. He carps on about Bad Orange Man, in one breath and then in the next is asking for a handout.

The only difference between the Cuomo crime family and organized crime is that one is organized.
 

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That is patently crazy. Completely outside the realm of sound tax policy. That is akin to saying you are required to pay NY tax on your vacation pay if you go to NY for vacation.

Unenforceable, ludicrous, and doomed to failure in either Administrative Hearings or Courts.
I hate to tell you, but that is the way it is. Vacations don't count. Sick leave and leaves of absences don't count. But if you go to another state to work in that state and that state has state income tax, but your state does not have a tax reciprocity with the state you are working in AND you are getting paid a salary or bonuses, by anyone, anywhere while you are working there, you have to file income tax in both states. The amount you pay in the state you are working in gets deducted from the tax you would pay in your home state, so you don't double pay, but if the state you are working in has higher taxes, you pay their tax rate. For some states, like NY, there is a time period you have to be working there for this to kick in. For some states, it is day one.

As a consultant, I have lived with this system for 25 years of my career. There are reasons for it that I won't go into. I won't say they are good reasons or that I approve, but I understand them.
 

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That is patently crazy. Completely outside the realm of sound tax policy. That is akin to saying you are required to pay NY tax on your vacation pay if you go to NY for vacation.

Unenforceable, ludicrous, and doomed to failure in either Administrative Hearings or Courts.
If you go to Cuomoland for your vacation, you deserve to pay the tax. But I hear the taxes are less if you vacation in N. Korea.
 
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I do taxes for others, and I agree with @jmf552. Taxes paid to other states are generally directly deductible in your state of residence. As stated previously, one is not double taxed.

In the case of Georgia, the following comes from page 19 of the 2019 IT-511 Individual Income Tax Booklet (4.47 MB)



WORKSHEET FOR OTHER STATE(S) TAX CREDIT
Georgia allows a credit for tax paid to another state on income taxable to Georgia and the other state. Use these worksheets
to compute the other state(s) tax credit for full-year and part-year residents. Do not file these worksheets with your return.
Keep them for your records.
Enter the Total Tax Credit on Form 500 line 18. Include a copy of tax return(s) filed with other state(s). The credit is for
state and U.S. local income tax only. The tax must have been imposed on net income. No other income taxes such as foreign
local, foreign city, foreign province, foreign country, U.S. Possession, etc., qualify for this credit.
 

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I want him run so he gets his butt handed to him. Same with Biden, let him run, keep him in the race and let him get completely humiliated. Some say he's a sick old man, bull feathers. He deserves every bit of it. I remember Bork, Thomas, and many others he set out to ruin. He's evil.
Just listen to his unintelligible rant about losing jobs over being sick. Not sure if he's for them getting fired or not. Don't think he even knows. Definitely has dimentia.
 

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I hate to tell you, but that is the way it is. Vacations don't count. Sick leave and leaves of absences don't count. But if you go to another state to work in that state and that state has state income tax, but your state does not have a tax reciprocity with the state you are working in AND you are getting paid a salary or bonuses, by anyone, anywhere while you are working there, you have to file income tax in both states. The amount you pay in the state you are working in gets deducted from the tax you would pay in your home state, so you don't double pay, but if the state you are working in has higher taxes, you pay their tax rate. For some states, like NY, there is a time period you have to be working there for this to kick in. For some states, it is day one.

As a consultant, I have lived with this system for 25 years of my career. There are reasons for it that I won't go into. I won't say they are good reasons or that I approve, but I understand them.
No it isn’t the way it is.

I’ve had to file tax returns in one form or another in every state that levied income taxes in the US for over two decades as a partner in an international partnership that had offices and employees in virtually every state. In that case my partnership earnings were based on apportioned income apportioned to the various states based on each states apportionment which was typically based on employees, sales, and property or some combination of those factors.

The last seven years I was the the State and Local Tax Practice (SALT) that specialized in SALT. After that, I have been a sole proprietorship, specializing in SALT and federal tax matters. I have had clients operating in all 50 states, and clients that operate in only one. I am only making this point to distinguish what I am about to describe on the issue at hand.

I traveled over many different states in the course of a tax year. Clients in States A, B, C and D paid me fees. I resided in State E. At the end of the year I had to file tax returns in States A - E, each state based on their laws and their rules. I did that. I fully understand that, and agree to that extent. It gets weird to be working on a Client in State A whiles in State B and keeping that all straight.

However, if during that year, I went to State Z on vacation, I was not obligated to ever file in State Z for a couple of reasons - first, most states only try to tax income earned in their state (there are several problems if they try to over-reach), second, the Courts frown on states trying to extend their grasp past their boundaries. I did not perform any work in State Z, no clients called, maybe a client mailed me a check to my office in State E, but I didn’t receive it while in Z, nor even bill the client while in Z.

Under what authority would Z attempt to impose a tax on my non-business presence in Z?

Same for my employees. They had their income tracked by state, and the firm withheld tax for their pay in every state, and they were required to file and pay in each of those states. We didn’t care or report where they went on vacation or if they did volunteer work anywhere, as none of their income was reportable in said states.

We would have a different result if we seconded an employee to a firm in a state on a gratis basis - that would have been reported, but that was not on a volunteer basis for them. It was the firm decision.

I think an employer assigning an employee would fall under this 14 rule, if this is what you are referring to: CCH 14 Day but that is for assigned employees.

There is also the dreaded “Convenience of the Employer” rule is NY among a few other states as described here:

Telecommuting NY and Arcane Rules

https://www.bestworkplaces.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Nicole-Belson-Goluboff-final-3-4-14.pdf



I’m at a loss on Cuomo. NY has insane laws, and yes, I paid a lot of NY and NYC tax in my day, but if I go see a broadway show, I do not owe them any tax on my earnings elsewhere. Likewise, if I go to NYC as a volunteer to provide advice to anyone as a volunteer without compensation, I don’t owe any tax on my income from elsewhere because I was not engaged in business while in NY.

Here are the NY Laws:

Who Must File NY Taxes and

On What Income



If I am in NYC working for compensation, yea, I’ll pay (reluctantly). :dead:

Maybe I don’t follow what you’re saying. I’m tapping this out myself on a pad, so excuse any typos. 😂
 

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I heard from some folks in the medical community NY was asking for volunteers to come up and help them out treating Corona cases, some were saying they could make $10K a month!

Well now the Gov wants his cut. If you came up there to help he wants to tax what you made even though you aren't a NY resident.

I really hope he tries to run for Prez one day.:ticking:

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2020/05/06/cuomo-gives-people-another-reason-to-hate-new-york-hell-tax-coronavirus-volunteers-n388520
Living next door in CT for a number of years, NY didn't create just a commuter tax, they taxed total income of couples! Here's a fictitious example to illustrate what those slimeballs did: Pretend you're Jeff Immelt, CEO of GE and living in ritzy New Canaan, CT. Your income is millions. Your wife, because she wants to, works part time for a dog shelter 4 miles away in Pound Ridge, NY, and gets paid minimum wage for about $12K a year. New York State says you own them income tax on the combined income of the couple. Neither can vote in NY... isn't that taxation without representation?

When NY instituted that tax under the previous corrupt Cuomo governorship, there was a lot of grumbling in CT, but nothing ever came of the legal challenges.
 

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@Rock and Glock: Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear enough or I got my posts mixed up. I said that my remarks DID NOT apply to vacation, leave of absence, or sick leave. I agree with your last post completely and I thought that's what I was saying. I also thought what the thread was about was professionals traveling to NY to work, in their profession, while being paid in a working status by professional institutions in their home state. If the volunteers went to NY on vacation, they could not be taxed. But if they were getting paid by their home institution, I believe they could be.

Is that not what we are both saying? Or have I still got it wrong?
 

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Cuomo's running a $13 billion deficit in New York. He tries to deflect any attention to this by pointing his fingers at everyone else. He carps on about Bad Orange Man, in one breath and then in the next is asking for a handout.

The only difference between the Cuomo crime family and organized crime is that one is organized.
The difference is the MAFIA holds the moral high ground over the Cuomos
 

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My nephew's wife went to NYC to help out. She is a nurse.

They were paying her well.

I hope they don't take it back in taxes.

When this gets around, they will not get many more volunteers, that is for sure.
 
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