[paulinsf]

Yesterday, just a few miles down the freeway from here, a homeowner made a very serious error in judgement. According to a report from KIRO 7 TV, the man returned home to find the door to his home had been kicked in. He investigated and discovered someone who didn't belong there taking a shower.

The intruder, identified as 31-year-old Nathaniel Joseph Rosa from Bothell, was killed, officials say.

Police said Saturday afternoon that Rosa was shot while taking a shower. The homeowner, after discovering Rosa, left the scene to retrieve his gun, returned and shot Rosa through shower curtains.

Detectives say the homeowner has been arrested on a 2nd degree murder charge.

I underlined the part that explains why this homeowner may have an entirely different home to worry about for the foreseeable future..

What did he do wrong? Well, he was initially able to safely extract himself from the scene unharmed after he discovered the intruder in the shower. Instead of then staying in a place of safety, he procured a firearm and returned to the scene. Finally, according to the report above, he shot and killed someone who was not presenting a threat to him.

 

[TX expat]

That's not going to go well for him.

 

[msgt/ret]

I would think a better course of action would be to call 911 then wait with a towel and shotgun until LE arrives. Much less complicated that way.

 

[HotBrass45]

I see what you did there with that thread title.

 

[Mike1956]

If I had a dollar for every time I mistakenly went into someone else's house and took a shower...

Seriously, if events transpired as portrayed, the shooter is some special kind of dim.

 

[Aquaman]

I'm going to get some popcorn and sit and wait for someone to take the homeowners side and explain the justification.....

 

[The Old Anglo]

This is Not going to work out for the homeowner!. This borders on Murder/Homicide. How Stupid of him!.

 

[Candor]

If you execute someone for unauthorized use of your shower you shouldn't be surprised when you get to share your new shower with 100 other guys just like him, and much worse, for the foreseeable future. An epic failure of critical thinking and allowing emotion to dictate his reaction will cost him dearly.

 

[WuLiPuOva]

Wait no duty to retreat doesn't mean I can go get my gun?

 

[Hoganbeg]

What's wrong with people?!!! Do they really think this is OK?

Are they that eager to kill someone that they are willing to ruin their own lives?

Man, People are messed up!

 

[Renaldow]

Some people want an excuse to kill somebody.

 

[Encore2016]

Wow, so many other ways to deal with this situation and he chose the wrong one.

 

[Brad426]

This whole thing just feels dirty.

Was the soap Lever (action) 2000?

 

[Bandit99]

If I come home and find my door kicked in I'm calling 911 and letting them go inside first. Nothing in my house is worth killing or being killed over. Besides anyone going inside would either have departed quickly or is pretty well mauled by the Shepherds. :smile:

 

[sdprof]

Someone using all your hot water - yup, that's a shooting offense.


Bubba better hope he doesn't drop the soap himself.

 

[Doghandler]

They didn't give the name of the homeowner so I'll just assume his name is Norman Bates.

Sent via my subspace communicator

 

[Psycho41]

The "castle doctrine", which is his only defense, typically has four components:

1. The person must be inside their home. Check.

2. The person must be committing (or attempting to commit) an unlawful entry. Check.

3. The use of deadly force is reasonable. Some states have a presumptive status that anyone in the home illegally they are doing so with the intent to commit an act of violence. So, this *may* be true.

4. Duty to retreat. This is another one that varies widely from state to state. Some states have codified the castle doctrine such that there is no duty to retreat. So, whether he met this condition (at least initially) is dependent upon the state statutes.

But, even if the four conditions above were met (and that is a big if), he did leave the home and then returned. Obviously that was why he is being charged. But, I wonder, if someone is in your home and your are outside - do you have no rights to protect your property? Are you just supposed to wait for the police to show up while he is free to roam your home? Sure you can call the police, but what if you are in a remote area?

This guy was an idiot to shoot someone in the shower. But, it does raise some interesting questions.

 

[wsquared]

If I come home and find my door kicked in I'm calling 911 and letting them go inside first. Nothing in my house is worth killing or being killed over.

This right here. Whether or not I have a firearm in my hand has zero bearing on how I handle this situation.

Unless I have a loved on inside the house that may be in danger, I will be outside with my cell phone until armed police officers have cleared the building.

 

[searx]

Could there be more to this story, does the homeowner have a wife and that was the wife's boyfriend flaunting himself in front of Joe the plumber. Whatever the real reason, it wasn't worth it for the homeowner.

 

[craze]

I got a feeling the shooters shower troubles are just beginning. Better hold on to that soap.