I'm hoping that every out of State Hunter boycotts Colorado,maybe when the people get hit by the enormous economical impact that sportsmen contribute every year from licences/food/lodging/ammo/hunting and fishing accessories etc. they will realize how screwed up the Idiots they elected are and boot them out of office back to Commiefornia which I will bet money is where most of those Idjits migrated from after they screwed their old state up
NY Bridge to Colorado
Colorado governor to sign gun controls into law | Fox NewsA Colorado-based magazine manufacturer said it would leave the state if the new restrictions were passed, taking hundreds of jobs with it. Democrats tried to ease the concerns from Magpul Industries, saying the company can still manufacture higher-capacity magazines if they were sold out of state.
Oh...so the mags are ok; just not in our state? Oh how the hypocrisy continues unabated.
I didn't know Cuomo was capable of building such a long bridge.
"Hey Magpul; where do I send my money to help you with your moving expenses?"
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How will this law impact those Colorado residents who already own firearms with +15 round capacities? Will they be grandfathered, or simply given a window of time to sell or get rid of these soon-to-be-outlawed guns?
If there is anything positive to be salvaged from this political rape (yes.....rape), it is the probability that these idiots are sounding their own political death knell in the state of Colorado. If they are willing to fall on their swords for their 16 oz soda pop masters then let the political blood bath begin. I look forward to the carnage.NY Bridge to Colorado
As I understand it, it BANS any magazine that can be modifed to hold more than the specified rounds.How will this law impact those Colorado residents who already own firearms with +15 round capacities? Will they be grandfathered, or simply given a window of time to sell or get rid of these soon-to-be-outlawed guns?
If you were around for the last ban you will recall that magazines owned pre-ban were grandfathered. To have it otherwise would seem unenforceable to me but common sense seems to have flown the coup on this one. My guess is pre-ban mags will have to be grandfathered.How will this law impact those Colorado residents who already own firearms with +15 round capacities? Will they be grandfathered, or simply given a window of time to sell or get rid of these soon-to-be-outlawed guns?
Don't be surprised when they're not grandfathered. Since when do progressive liberals care about violating the Constitution or your inalienable rights.
Little surprises me about Colorado Dems.Don't be surprised when they're not grandfathered. Since when do progressive liberals care about violating the Constitution or your inalienable rights.
You know.. I obviously don't want any economical shrapnel from these gun laws since I live in this state, but if that is what's needed to show our "elected" officials their ridiculous flaws then so be it.. However, I have been following many of our county sheriffs and local LEOs and they still stand by their original claim that they will not enforce any unconstitutional laws such as those on Hickenlooper's desk. Yeah yeah, you can say that we can't trust the elected sheriffs and LEOs but they're the only people with some form of power voicing our 2A rights. It's aggravating when even the Governor doesn't have the balls to sit down and talk with our sheriffs. Look at Justin Smith's (Larimer County's sheriff) facebook page - Hickenlooper ignored the request of the Colorado Sheriff's Association to even hold a meeting about these bills. Until our law enforcement proves me wrong, I'm going to support them fully. Hell, how can the Demos even threaten the salaries of our sheriffs when they haven't received a pay adjustment since 2007?
I'm more interested in showing our voting citizenry that it's time to muck out that rat's nest in Denver. The current elected officials who need to be shown their ridiculous flaws are a lost cause and they just need to be shown the gate.You know.. I obviously don't want any economical shrapnel from these gun laws since I live in this state, but if that is what's needed to show our "elected" officials their ridiculous flaws then so be it..
Mags are Grandfathered with a simple assertion of ownership prior to the effective date (July 1, 2013), HOWEVER, that assertion is a DEFENSE, so you're spilling dollars on legal fees already.
From another E-Mail I received:
uke:
Here are some more suggestions from the Outdoor Channel folks:
From another E-Mail I received:
Same with the magazine law...all standard capacity magazines are grandfathered in and you only have to "assert" that you owned those magazines prior to 1 July 2013, but that assertion is specifically an affirmative defense...you get arrested, your guns get seized, you go to jail, you pay $10K to a criminal defense attorney and get yourself bonded out, you finally go before a judge and your attorney says the magazines were owned prior to the date of the laws, and hey, you get to go home with only $10K out of pocket!
uke:Here are some more suggestions from the Outdoor Channel folks:
BTW, if you're in Denver or any of the surrounding communities, policy is that NO guns "seized for cause" will be returned. "For cause" means that the guns were seized because you broke a gun law, which in this case you did. The affirmative defense was AFTER the "legitimate" arrest.
Assuming the Governor signs these bills this week, I strongly suggest:
1) You consider a Gun Trust with your family members as Trustees. This clarifies the ownership of guns and accessories such as standard capacity magazines and allows any member of the Trust to possess same. That is what Indiana Jackson and I have done on advice of counsel. The Colorado attorney I used was Douglas Turner, who is a member of the national Gun Trust attorneys. If you and your kids are Trustees in the Gun Trust, in the example above, any Trustee can possess the items in question.
2) After the laws go into effect on 1 July 2013, I strongly suggest that you transport your guns and accessories to and from the range in LOCKED cases or containers, with your carry gun CONCEALED on your person. This is to protect you in case of an automobile accident that might allow law enforcement to see "illegal items in plain sight." A locked case will require a warrant to open, and a warrant will (hopefully) require probable cause. DO NOT under any condition allow law enforcement to search your person or your car without a warrant, and only answer the questions you're asked. The most recent high-visibility arrests for "illegal magazines" in D.C. and New York state both happened because the persons involved casually and innocently told law enforcement about the proscribed items and allowed them to search their cars. Don't do it.
3) After the laws take effect, AVOID DENVER AND THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF BOULDER LIKE THE PLAGUE! The overwhelming majority of Colorado Sheriffs have already gone on record as NOT willing to enforce these ridiculous laws; in fact, the Colorado Sheriffs' Association is considering suing the state of Colorado if these laws go into effect. However, the cites of Denver and surrounding communities and Boulder WILL enforce these laws to the letter! In fact, I fully expect to see "sting" operations like those launched by New York State Police 48 hours after that state's draconian gun laws took effect. If you must travel through those areas — and hey, for at least the next few months I still live in Boulder County! — remember that you are in "Indian Country" and act appropriately!
Sorry to be so darn cheery...but we have to protect ourselves from this huge overreach of state powers! Yes, there will be lawsuits, but they will take quite literally years. We must take our state back in 2014!
Wolf Bane aka Michael Bane, Producer and Host, Outdoor Channel.
NY Bridge To Colorado
It was Bloomie and his money that created the bridge to Colorado.
Glad to see the Sheriffs still standing firm. Since the lawmakers know the Sheriffs won't enforce these new laws, it can only be concluded that they (the laws) are only of a symbolic nature. Don't get me wrong, they will try to enforce them as best they can but without the Sheriffs behind them there is no chance of total enforcement, and the lawmakers know it.
It was Bloomie and his money that created the bridge to Colorado.
Glad to see the Sheriffs still standing firm. Since the lawmakers know the Sheriffs won't enforce these new laws, it can only be concluded that they (the laws) are only of a symbolic nature. Don't get me wrong, they will try to enforce them as best they can but without the Sheriffs behind them there is no chance of total enforcement, and the lawmakers know it.
That won't require any new or additional effort on my part.3) After the laws take effect, AVOID DENVER AND THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF BOULDER LIKE THE PLAGUE!
Great tips posted by Rock n Glock. Info for a gun-friendly lawyer in the Denver area is below:
O'Malley Law Office, P.C.
303-830-0880
Criminal Defense Lawyer Denver | Crimes Attorney Arapahoe County Douglas, Jefferson, Adams County Colorado
O'Malley Law Office, P.C.
303-830-0880
Criminal Defense Lawyer Denver | Crimes Attorney Arapahoe County Douglas, Jefferson, Adams County Colorado
Being a former resident of MD it seems poetic justice that this atty's name is O'malley.:yup:Info for a gun-friendly lawyer in the Denver area is below:
O'Malley Law Office, P.C.
Before the new gun laws take effect, I would take pictures (or video) of all of your guns and magazines in some manner to document the date. I would then get a local lawyer to draft up a letter that states exactly what you own, with pictures, dated well before the effective date of the law and have it notarized. I would have multiple copies of said letter and pictures. This would serve as documented evidence that you owned these items before the law took place. This may save some legal hassle in the future. Of course, this is assuming these items are grandfathered (we see in NY, we can't make such an assumption).
And with the above info, mail yourself a certified letter...don't open it, just put it in the safe.Before the new gun laws take effect, I would take pictures (or video) of all of your guns and magazines in some manner to document the date. I would then get a local lawyer to draft up a letter that states exactly what you own, with pictures, dated well before the effective date of the law and have it notarized. I would have multiple copies of said letter and pictures. This would serve as documented evidence that you owned these items before the law took place. This may save some legal hassle in the future. Of course, this is assuming these items are grandfathered (we see in NY, we can't make such an assumption).
Like one CO sheriff said in a newstory I read. No way to know if someone comes over to KS, buys one, and then says he's had it for "years". But.......it will help save the children, right?
Sad state of affairs in CO. The old hippies leftover from the 60's were a drag, but when all the nuts from CA moved in, they sure ruined a fine state. I think of what a paradise it must have been back in the 40's and 50's. Keep in mind that about 85% of the land in CO is in conservative hands, you take out Boulder, Denver, and Aspen, and it's still a good place. But like most places in this country, it's the urban areas that mess it up for everyone else.
Sad state of affairs in CO. The old hippies leftover from the 60's were a drag, but when all the nuts from CA moved in, they sure ruined a fine state. I think of what a paradise it must have been back in the 40's and 50's. Keep in mind that about 85% of the land in CO is in conservative hands, you take out Boulder, Denver, and Aspen, and it's still a good place. But like most places in this country, it's the urban areas that mess it up for everyone else.
They screw up a state like California and when it gets too bad they find another state to mess up.... They're like locusts.....Like one CO sheriff said in a newstory I read. No way to know if someone comes over to KS, buys one, and then says he's had it for "years". But.......it will help save the children, right?
Sad state of affairs in CO. The old hippies leftover from the 60's were a drag, but when all the nuts from CA moved in, they sure ruined a fine state. I think of what a paradise it must have been back in the 40's and 50's. Keep in mind that about 85% of the land in CO is in conservative hands, you take out Boulder, Denver, and Aspen, and it's still a good place. But like most places in this country, it's the urban areas that mess it up for everyone else.
Correction: More like a virus. A virus is destructive..a virus needs a living host (The U.S Constitution)...a virus is opportunistic preying on the weak first...They screw up a state like California and when it gets too bad they find another state to mess up.... They're like locusts.....
The only benefit of a virus is that it strengthens the immune system against future attacks; just be on guard and know that a virus will adapt and replicate to seek new ways to gain access into the host.
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