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I described in another thread that after shooting a number of heavy loads in my shotguns, and shooting a lot with my compound bow, I had some physical issues.

Well, you'll probably question my mental state for this, but I did it all again. Aside from loving to shoot shotguns, it looks like a hog hunt is pretty much a go. A date has been finalized, the players are in place, and I want to make the most of the opportunity, so I'm taking several firearms to try on the feral pigs, one being a shotgun.

No doubt shotguns are limited range guns even with slugs. There are four issues with rifled shotgun slugs, one they are not as accurate as a rifle at any range. Two, slugs have an awful coefficient of drag which causes them to lose velocity rapidly, and hence energy. Three, because of the slow initial velocity (compared to a rifle round) the slug trajectory looks somewhat like a rainbow, hence holdover, etc. becomes pretty critical as range varies, and fourth they do have a bit of recoil.

In light of that, there are some things that can help level the playing field a bit - higher velocity with lighter slugs. That brings us to why I'm shooting some of these higher power loads - higher muzzle velocity, flatter trajectory, and still plenty of down range energy.

I've been testing several slug loads:

1- Royal Star 2-3/4", 1-1/8 oz @ 1410 fps

2- Remington Slugger 2-3/4", 1 oz @ 1560 fps

3- Federal 2-3/4", 1 oz @ 1610 fps

4- Winchester 2-3/4", 1-1/8 oz @ 1625 fps

5- Federal Magnum 2-3/4", 1-1/4 oz @ 1520 fps

6- Winchester 3", 1 oz @ 1760 fps

7- Remington 3", 1 oz @ 1760 fps

Number 4, 6, & 7 have become my prime candidates. But I shot 5 each (35 rounds total) of these in the order listed above. This very list is what I shot followed by some compound bow shooting, that caused some issues with my neck, shoulder, etc. And Saturday, I shot it all again, this time in one of the lightest shotguns on the market - a Benelli M2 Tactical. I had a Bushnell TRS-25 red dot sight on the receiver rail and it was dialed in.

I was at the range by 9:15 Saturday morning and started shooting in the order listed above. I shot everything off hand at 23 yards - limit of the indoor range (the outdoor range is just to crowded on weekends and you have to keep asking for a cold range to change targets etc.).

The best accuracy came from the Remington 1 oz @ 1760 fps. Four shots were touching, actually overlapping, and the fifth was about an inch from the group - undoutedly a faulty round, right?

I don't have the pic with me, but I'll post it this evening or tomorrow.

I had a quick bite and by 1:00 pm, I was helping a colleague remove a huge broken limb from a huge oak tree - that's me on the right side of the trunk just past the two lower big limbs. I love to climb trees!



Then we went to my secretary's house and cut down a dead tree for her ( a small one).

Then Sunday, it was just too beautiful not to shoot my bow, so I did that; I have 10 arrows and shot them twice for 20 total.

The odd thing is, other than some expected soreness from stretching and straining 60 feet up in a tree, I had no ill effects from the shotgunning or bow shooting.

I'm wondering if my initial problem was due to shooting a couple or so of rounds with the gun improperly mounted or something. And, I'm sure shooting my bow about 60 times was a heavy contributor too.

So, I'm very encouraged that I can shoot some heavy loads in my shotgun without creating problems. Either that or I have to do a 60 foot climb up a tree afterwards .
 

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Ever thought about using a recoil reducing stock or at least a Limbsaver buttpad???

I've had good results with both.

Good luck on your hog hunt... I've always wanted to do that.

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Ever thought about using a recoil reducing stock or at least a Limbsaver buttpad???
Recoil reducing stocks are hard to find for Benelli's especially the M2. There's an interesting recoil absorbing stock in the the works by a company called Raven, but it's not available yet.

I have Limbsavers on both my Benelli M4 and M2. It is pretty effective. The Limbsaver isn't designed quite right for the M2. It fits fine but it moves around because it's just a flat piece of plastic on the back of the Limbsaver pad, rubbing against the end edges of a hollow synthetic stock. The only thing that holds the pad in place is a small 'adaptor' plate, and the pad moves around quite a bit.

So I took my Limbsaver off, rigged up a jig on my table router and machined a recess to fit inside the hollow stock, and the pad hasn't moved since!

...Good luck on your hog hunt... I've always wanted to do that. :hand15:
Hey thanks! This will be my first; I hope we find some pigs!
 

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Ever thought about not being a girl?? Having spoken to you on the phone, I'm confused?

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You know I'm joking, right?!
 

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You know I'm joking, right?!
OK, Jon, you got me - I'm embarrassed now :redface:

I kinda 'read' into that - my bad all the way and my apologies for not realizing the humor.

I'm changing my response. :frown:

I still owe you one for that!!!

BTW - got a pm question headed your way.
 

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It would be interesting to know the terrain you will be hunting in. If it's anything like what I've been hog hunting in out here, your 23 yard range limit at the indoor range shouldn't hurt a thing and is probably just right for practice with slugs. Most of my hunts during the encounter have been pretty much up close and personal and I can only remember getting one that was beyond that yardage. And don't forget your sidearm. :smile:
 

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"I'm changing my response."

I want to know what you typed before you changed it. :rofl:


I'm looking at that photo that you have posted up there.

You think a rifled slug would be accurate enough to knock that orangutan out of that tall tree?

It looks like it is pretty high up there in that tree. :yup:

I didn't even know that they were native to Tennessee. :confused:

Is it possible that it escaped from a circus...or a local zoo? :biggrin2:

I have some FEDERAL 1 OZ slugs.
They perform really well in my Ithaca & are pretty easy shooting.
 

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"I'm changing my response."

I want to know what you typed before you changed it. :rofl:
He showed his feminine side even more clearly! Ba-dum, ching!
 
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OK, Jon, you got me - I'm embarrassed now :redface:

I kinda 'read' into that - my bad all the way and my apologies for not realizing the humor.

I'm changing my response. :frown:

I still owe you one for that!!!

BTW - got a pm question headed your way.
If you look below the text, you'll see a smiley. On the rare occassion I use one of those (whether typed or from the list), you should consider my post light hearted.

;) see!
 

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An Off Topic FYI.

In case some members are not aware of the fact Tangle does some incredible tree climbing.

The Mods have likely seen more photos privately than have been publicly posted but, he certainly has conquered some massively high trees.

He also gave me some great survival rope selection advice. Thanks again for that Tangle. Good lookin' out. :yup:
 

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It would be interesting to know the terrain you will be hunting in. If it's anything like what I've been hog hunting in out here, your 23 yard range limit at the indoor range shouldn't hurt a thing and is probably just right for practice with slugs. Most of my hunts during the encounter have been pretty much up close and personal and I can only remember getting one that was beyond that yardage. And don't forget your sidearm. :smile:
Actually you're probably right on the money. In fact, in one conversation, my cousin indicated we may be pretty close. They've been using the timed feeder method, but while my cousin's neighbor has shot 5 or 6, my cousin has yet to even see one.

I'm really just trying to see how far a rifled slug can be effective. I'm not sure I'll even get that opportunity, but I should be ready if I get a longer shot.

As far as a sidearm, that crazy jonconsiglio has got me believing a 9mm will take a pig. So I'll probably take my G34 with a X300 attached and a Burris Fastfire III on the slide. That's kinda like cheating isn't it. Oh, it all fits in a Raven Concealment holster.
 

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"I'm changing my response."

I want to know what you typed before you changed it. :rofl:
Something about sissy's shoot ARs with wimpy 5.56 loads with 14.5" barrels and ride around in trucks randomly shooting until a hog unwittingly runs in front of a bullet. Men shoot shotguns.

Of course I can't vouch for the accuracy of that recollection. :tongue:


...I'm looking at that photo that you have posted up there.

You think a rifled slug would be accurate enough to knock that orangutan out of that tall tree?

It looks like it is pretty high up there in that tree. :yup:

I didn't even know that they were native to Tennessee. :confused:

Is it possible that it escaped from a circus...or a local zoo? :biggrin2:
Listen, there will be no shooting of orangutans in trees; especially that one - it's an endangered species!

...I have some FEDERAL 1 OZ slugs.
They perform really well in my Ithaca & are pretty easy shooting.
I got some of those and I like them too; and I've got one of them Ithaca Model 37 M&Ps too.

He showed his feminine side even more clearly! Ba-dum, ching!
:ticking: Keep it up Jon - next time I pray, I'm tellin' on you!
 
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Us girls have feelings too you know.
Ya know, I worked wit a guy that kept claiming he had feelings - apparently he never did believe me when I told him "yeah, but they don't count for anything" :wink:

Gotta admit I looked at the wrong spot when you said "right side of the trunk, just past the two lower limbs" .. then it hit me who was posting.

It's too bad those Royal star slugs didn't have a better showing in the accuracy dept.


Who here has heard this before:
 

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I might have given the wrong impression about the Royal Star slugs - I've found them to be very accurate and they are Brenneke type slugs instead of the 'shuttle cock' type, hence should have good penetration and not have as much tendency to fragment.

The problem with the Royal Star was the low velocity - 1410 fps. That's not wimpy by any means, but for me, I'm looking for a higher velocity, flatter shooting slug. Those 1 oz 1760 fps are about as good as it gets.

And yeah, Jerry Clower and the lunx! A great yarn!

Do you remember the one where his uncle asks him to put down his old mule?
 

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In case some members are not aware of the fact Tangle does some incredible tree climbing ... he certainly has conquered some massively high trees.
Head west. Plenty of ~250ft+ redwoods out there, for the adventurous spirit.

As for me, tangling with the big fellers is one thing the phone book's good for. ACME Tree Felling Service ... every time. I've assisted on a handful of smaller firs and pines, but nothing all that large.
 

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Funny story about hog hunting and shotguns.... My buddy Tim brought his pistol grip 870 one of the times we went hunting as a "finisher". So, he drops this 200 pounder with his 5.56. We're walking around looking at the 4 or 5 downed hogs and this one is still wiggling around. He grabs the shotgun and goes for a headshot. He places it exactly where he would if it had a stock.

When he fires, it slammed right back into his face. It was extremely funny but he was in some pain the rest of the day. He was shooting whatever the most powerful load is you can use in that gun.

Personally, I'd leve the other guns at home and just focus on the one. Which would be the 5.56 if I was choosing.... Though next time I go out I'll be using my 9" 300 blackout loaded with 110gr TSX Black Tip. 16" AK performance from a 9" AR. Can't beat that...
 
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