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I experienced a faux pas today.
While attending an FBI Leadership Course at the Luxor here in Las Vegas, I was wearing my Andrews Monarch Shoulder Rig (pic below) when, for no explicible reason, my full size custom 1911 suddenly left the horizonal holster and hit the floor. (In cocked and locked condition).
2 FBI agents and a LVMPD officer looked at me and said, "I think you dropped something." I responded with, "you think?".
I was to say the least embarrassed. In 30 years of carrying I have never had this happen before.
I think that my leather flight jacket caught the thumb break and released the snap allowing the gun to fall. I will be in touch with Sam Andrews in the AM to discover what can be done to remedy this.
Needless to say the shoulder rig has hit the closet until I resolve this and I will go back to my standard strong side OWB carry.

I just thought I would mention this to all who carry horizontal shoulder rigs as something to be on the watch for so it doesn't happen to you.
 

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acparmed said:
I experienced a faux pas today.
While attending an FBI Leadership Course at the Luxor here in Las Vegas, I was wearing my Andrews Monarch Shoulder Rig (pic below) when, for no explicible reason, my full size custom 1911 suddenly left the horizonal holster and hit the floor. (In cocked and locked condition).
You were in a carpeted area, I hope? I have not yet dropped mine (knock on wood) but I have come close. Actually, I guess I did drop it but caught it before it hit the ground, which was good because I was in our den that has a nice hard, brittle and expensive travertine tiled floor. :dong:
 

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How many shades of red did you turn? I don't have a shoulder rig for my 1911, but do have a Bianchi rig for my Mauser Hsc. It doesn't have a snap but is a "pressure" fit. I suppose because of the weight of the Mauser, I've never had it fall out. Yep, that could be awkward.
 

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Happened to me once

That happened to me once ~ getting out of the car, but I was in my own driveway.
Lucky for me.
I stepped out of the car & "Viola" my firearm was on the ground.
It was with a horizontal carry rig & (you already guessed it) the retention snap must have got somehow "unsnapped" (I'm guessing) by the inside pocket of a heavy leather coat I was wearing.
Maybe the seat belt strap had something to do with it?
I don't remember what holster maker I was using back when that happened but, it was not by Andrews.
I tried to reenact the same scenario (in the house with the firearm unloaded) but was unable to get "it" to happen again.
Sounds like you might be due for a new snap.
Since then I've switched (the holsters only) on most of my shoulder rigs to the Alessi pull through design & I've never had a problem.
Man O' Doggies....apcarmed....Talk about an embarrassing red-faced "moment!" ~ Perfect Timing! :redface:
You know that you were Topic Of Conversation at the ol' FBI Water Cooler...for a day! :biggrin:
Oh well, just be glad you were not cashing a check at the bank when that happened.
I guess THAT would have been a whole lot worse!
I'm guessing that the high pitched squeal of scared old ladies screaming would always makes any "gun goof" seem a bit worse!
Good Story!
One good reason to always carry a high quality firearm.

Bumper! ~ Darn Good Reflexes!
 

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ACP, man that has got to suck, but there is a positive to this. It shows the structural integrity of the 1911 in Condition 1. Which 1911 were you carrying? Any marring to the pistol??? I hope not cause I knwo you have some beaut's of 1911's.

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I had my old S&W Combat Magnum drop from a Bianchi X-15 shoulder rig, back in the 70s. I had run after a suspect, caught him, and didn't even realize I had lost my sidearm in the chase and scuffle! A fellow officer, following me, saw it on the ground and asked if I had lost something!

For you youngsters, out there, the X-15 was an upright shoulder holster, with a spring to retain the weapon. Nice rig, but I didn't use mine after that night!
 

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Never had a gun drop from a shoulder rig, but did have my brand new PT Taurus drop right on the garage concrete from my Royal Robbins vest . After that I got a holster w/ thumb break. Funny thing is I jumped up and down and tried to shake the gun loose before carrying it in the first holster.
 

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OK, some answers to the questions.

Yes Bumper, fortunately I was in a carpeted area. It still hit the floor with a considerable "Thump".

APachon, I was carrying my $3000 custom 1911. (OUCH!!). No it didn't get marked in anyway even though under the carpeting in the casinos it's concrete. You are correct with the integrity of a well-built 1911, even though in condition 1, it presented no danger of discharging merely by dropping it.

I spoke with Sam Andrews this morning and he immediately asked me to return the holster so that he could examiine the thumb snap and told me that he had been considering adding a tension hold at the trigger guard portion of the holster, and that he would do so with a new holster and asked that I field test the design for him and report back on how well it functions. Needless to say I will give it a most strenuous work out.

This is what I like about a custom holster maker like Sam. Even though I've had this rig for a couple of years now and had no problems with it up until now he still insists that I return it for replacement and upgrade. That is what I call customer satisfaction guaranteed!!

I will reinterate to you all, (no insult intended to you Gary, I'm sure you make very high quality gear) Sam Andrews is the man to go to when you want the highest quality custom leather holsters on the market.
 

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acparmed said:
I will reinterate to you all, (no insult intended to you Gary, I'm sure you make very high quality gear) Sam Andrews is the man to go to when you want the highest quality custom leather holsters on the market.
I am not insulted in the least. I've met Sam, and he is indeed truly a fine gentleman and very good holstermaker. He makes a great product.
Actually, I would not even try to compare our respective work - we make very different product lines. It would be an "apples to oranges" comparison.

Sam is a very nice guy, and he does indeed stand behind his work. I'm sure that he'll do whatever it takes to make things right with you.
 

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I got my first Monarch rig from Sam about 15 years ago. Never had any problems. I love how the knife draws by snapping it straight down from under your cover garment.

I once heard of an embarrassing moment for a BG in Washington DC who went to rob a bank on a Friday and at that moment it was filled with FBI Agents cashing checks on payday. Imagine yelling "THIS IS A STICKUP!" and suddenly looking down the bores of about 90 Sigs. Gulp.
 

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faux paux

Well I know you wanted to crawl into a hole or under a rock. The feds are always around when you don't need 'em. I know Sam will take care of it and I'm glad BF#1 suffered no damage. You'll survive this episode, but just wait till I see you next. No wonder you've been under the weather for the last couple of days. Know how you feel.
 

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A retention screw is definitely in order..that would resolve the holster issue. Just be sure to double check its retention every so often...some can loosen. Once I get mine right...I use a little dab of blue loctite...just a touch on a Q tip is enough.

I dont carry in a shoulder rig...but do have them on my kydex IWB's.
 

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The only drops I know of have all come from shoulder holsters. I don't use them, so I haven't had a drop. However a couple of friends have shoulder rigs and both have had drops. Similar deals too. Different jacket than they normally wear. Somehow the snap gets popped and gun is on the loose.

-Scott-
 

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Bumper said:
You were in a carpeted area, I hope? I have not yet dropped mine (knock on wood) but I have come close. Actually, I guess I did drop it but caught it before it hit the ground, which was good because I was in our den that has a nice hard, brittle and expensive travertine tiled floor. :dong:
Bumper,

I don't know what you carry, so my comments may not apply to your case at all, but for myself, I try to program myself NOT to attempt to catch a dropped knife or gun. Every gun I carry is perfectly safe if dropped, but most of them have potential for discharge if caught wrong. I have enough guns and grips that if something gets broken, I'll get over it, but an uncontrolled AD can obviously be disastrous.

Being married, however, I can definitely feel your concern for the floor!

Anymouse
 

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Bumper,

I don't know what you carry, so my comments may not apply to your case at all, but for myself, I try to program myself NOT to attempt to catch a dropped knife or gun. Every gun I carry is perfectly safe if dropped, but most of them have potential for discharge if caught wrong. I have enough guns and grips that if something gets broken, I'll get over it, but an uncontrolled AD can obviously be disastrous.

Being married, however, I can definitely feel your concern for the floor!

Anymouse
I carry a 1911 cocked and locked so really didn't have to worry too much about an accidental discharge. :biggrin:

Seriously, I was worried about the floor as I said and my beloved 1911 (actually so beloved I sold it this past weekend) but I figure it would probably be more likely to discharge if it was allowed to hit the floor than if I were to catch it. If it hit the floor and discharged I would not have the time to anticipate the direction it was going to fire and get out of the way. I would probably come more near throwing myself on it like a grenade to keep the wife and kids from possibly getting hit rather than watching it go all the way to the floor. Soooo, I think I will attempt to catch it and avoid a certain broken floor, a mad wife, a beat up gun and possibly a gapping hole from a .45. But, that may be just me.... :wink:
 

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In your case, it makes sense, Bumper - I suspect the previous poster though was referencing a few incidents with Glocks etc where an officer dropped a gun and reflexively tried to catch it, finger goes in trigger guard, boom, dead person.
 

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In your case, it makes sense, Bumper - I suspect the previous poster though was referencing a few incidents with Glocks etc where an officer dropped a gun and reflexively tried to catch it, finger goes in trigger guard, boom, dead person.
Yup, another good reason to carry a 1911 :wink:
 

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While it's bad to have an incident like that in front of your peers, I couldn't imagine the looks you'd get in certain public places on a busy afternoon. I've had near-drops with firearms, but nothing that was a holster's fault, and never in public. Still, your post got me thinking, maybe it's a good time to look at a new shoulder holster with an additional retention device. Thanks for sharing!
 
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