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Open versus concealed

First things first: the name of this site is "Combat Carry" but all I see being discussed here are primarily concealed issues. Somewhat of a disparity in my opinion.

Secondly: the moderators seem sensitive when it comes to folks entering into some honest debate. So I guess everyone just better agree with everything that everyone else posts or the moderators will silence them using the age old fallback, "this is a private forum and you better...blah, blah, blah..."

Finally: let's have a heated debate regarding open versus concealed carry. May I suggest you begin your post with qualifying information such as the number of years you have carried concealed and/or open.

My shot across the bow: concealed seven years, open three years.

Open carry is far quicker to draw from versus concealed. Crimes happen in fractions of a second - you don't have time to fumble around and dig for your tool. The more attention you focus on drawing the less you can pay to the situation at hand. If you knew you were going to be in a gunfight, which would you rather draw from...be honest. Which would you rather draw from if your primary or alternate arm were injured and useless. Try drawing concealed with one hand versus open.

When a criminal enters a potential crime scene what is on his mind? He is looking for police cars, cruisers, etc. He is not looking for a pistol hanging off the hip of some guy like you or me. I have been carrying open for the past few years and for every one person that has recognized a pistol on my hip I have passed by one hundred others that have not. When people see a black thing on a hip most folks think "cellphone" or "PDA" not gun!

Please, someone, just one person, any of you, share a story about a citizen carrying open that has been blown away by a criminal. Anyone...anywhere...just one article.

I know I have been within spitting distance of violent felons while carrying open and guess what? They knew I was prepared to defend myself, they were fully aware that I knew where they were, none ever attempted to "take my gun away and shoot me" while some actually left the area unusually fast.

So let's have some fun here and hang it out. Open guys comment on open experiences - concealed guys comment on concealed ones. I have carried both ways so I am covered on both.
 

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Honest Debate Is Fine As long as it is not a Flame fest ..

And it has its own topic.. And if you have a problem with the way we mods do things theres 2 things

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#2 or Leave

Now that is harsh . We have Rules and wether that is a blah blah fallback to you that is the way it is..

Now with all that said hopefully this will be a good Thread

Debate all you want keep it friendly and this will be left Run .

Hope someone does have a Story or 2 about it as i Havn't seen any one open Carry here.
 

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I prefer to draw from where I conceal my weapon as I can access it from both hands, besides I dont think you can open carry in FL. I think you need to conceal or have it in a 3 step case but im not 100% on that.
 

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Do as you wish, keep your posts level headed and not insulting and you will be fine. Misbehave and flame or troll ya get:buttkick: :banned:
 

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The problem with concealed vs open is - proven over and over - it becomes or is a contentious subject - you defend your corner and Joe Blow defends his.

You want ''heated'' debate, then you all but guarantee the thread will not survive - because some folks when heated will break forum rules by getting way too personal. It happens - I have seen it way too often - ''mine is better than yours''.

I am not concerned how folks choose to carry - their decision entirely. I have to say tho even tho my area is pretty gun oriented in SW PA - I have yet to see in any store in this region anyone carrying open - over the near five years I have concealed carried. Rather wish I did.

I carry open at home and around home - if someone out front sees it - tough dodo - I am not concerned.

I do not however choose to display to possible crazy sheep who might disturb my otherwise quiet life and also choose to be discrete as a ''one upmanship'' deal - anything goes down - I am there and initially an unknown source of pain!
 

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I personally open carry because I am not comfortable enough with the sequence of events involved with concealed carrying: identify target, clear cover garment, draw weapon, acquire target, fire. Open carrying just seems to be less complicated.
 

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I have carried concealed for six months now. They do not allow open carry in California. It is concealed or nothing.

As for this forum I appreciate our mods and the civilized nature of things here. One thing is that you can be new and learning and nobody makes you feel bad about it. I have only seen the mods step in when things are heading in the wrong direction. The plain fact us none of is are forced to stay here.
 

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We have only had CCW in Missouri for a little over 2 years and most counties dragged there feet in issuing permits, held it up in court and as you say bla, bla, bla. So, in a nut shell I have almost a year carrying concealed and for me that is all I would want to do, concealed that is.

Really, it is IMO a personal preferance on how one carries or even can carry in there state and I feel and I know I can draw as fast maybe even faster than OWB open carry. How do I know this you ask? well, I practice, practice and practice some more, with like minded fiends, alone, with my GF, with LEO friends that I have, taking DP classes locally, etc.

There are faults and concerns with both methods of carry, neither are perfect or immune from failure. I myself would rather not be spotted by anyone and have the element of surprise as well. I also have other defensive skills that can be used/applied in a situation that is going down and or going bad. It was my only means of defense for many years before CCW.

That's basicly it, I prefer concealed carry as my method even if I could open carry.


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I think it is uncalled for, for you to come on and start bashing the moderators. I don't think you have had time to see and learn what goes on here. The moderators do a good job regulating the posts and making sure they stay on topic. Furthermore, the only time they "silence" anyone is if they are vulgar, or get off topic. I don't agree with your statements you have made, and that is ok, but unlike other forums, it is expected that namecalling and bashing will not occur.
Although it is no ones business, I have been carrying concealed everyday for 3+years. I feel it is necessary because of the profession I am in, and the public I deal with. People do not need to know I have a gun, or that I carry one. again none of there business. I do feel like I can draw from my 3:00 strong position conceal pretty darn fast, and I think it is a matter of training and practice. I don't want the added attention open carry would bring. For me, carrying a gun is not a status symbol or a don't mess with me sign. It is a means of me protecting myself and my family....period.
There is my response.
 

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Concealed carry for 15 years because I have to in CT open carry around the house, however that said I believe I would still conceal just because I would not want the attention it could draw. There have been many a summer day that open carry would be perfered but like I said no open carry allowed.
As far as draw for concealed or open it makes little differnce for me the time it takes is splitting hairs.
Tactically I think you have a greater advantage concealed as nobody expects it but thats me.
 

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concealed 1.5 y, open: 0 y

I have seen many sensible reasons for carrying concealed posted by those who conceal, and have seen good reasons for open carry posted by those who practice open carry. I don't feel strongly either way. We can all imagine numerous scenarios where open carry saves the day and an equal number where concealment wins.

I conceal exclusively only for the pragmatic reasons that I prefer to avoid public debates with antis and to avoid potential problems with ticked-off LEOs who may be dispatched to investigate the proverbial "man with gun".

If everyone who carries did so openly, so that sightings of pistols carried by nonLEOs were extremely common, I would do so too. That would be the ideal situation! If that were the case, I wonder if laws would soon be enacted to allow property owners to selectively choose to ban only concealed pistols or only openly-carried pistols...

Texas bans open carry, as do several other states. Open carry is theoretically legal in this state outside of Denver and (I think) a couple of Denver suburbs. I just don't want to be the first one "out of the closet".
 

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O.C. for 8 months. I've never had any serious problems and I realize I've only been carrying for a relatively short amount of time..... But, I do believe that concealment, as someone said earlier, will win the day sometimes. Other times, a criminal may see an armed citizen and think twice about possibly doing something. The latter is a somewhat passive-aggressive tactic depending on how you look at it. I don't believe one is superiour to the other nor is it really a debate anyone is going to win - though "winning" is doubtfully the goal of this thread. haha

I used to carry very rarely. My friend Taylor Behl went missing on Septmeber 5th of last year. I won't go into it and I'm not looking for a pity party, but I'm sure that if more people had been OCing in the area of where she went missing (V.C.U. - Richmond, VA), I'm sure she would still be alive today. This is why I open carry and will probably why I will do so for a long time. I can conceal if the situation warrants it.
 

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28 years concealed now, no real interest in open carry.
 

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I agree with some of your comments in regard to "open" carry. However, "open" is a very loose term and I am not exact on how you meant it. Is this a IWB vs OWB debate or strict OPEN carry (As in no cloths covering the firearm)? If you mean strict open than I would argue that it takes away the element of surprise that you hold over a BG....also I don't like the idea of having my weapon in plain site and vulnerable to being pulled away from me.
 

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I have participated in this forum because I haven't had to read the kind of provoking sentiment that started this thread. Go ahead, open carry where it's legal.

The speed question becomes nearly inconsequential with a little more effort and dedication to practice. Not so with the element of surprise. After an ambush, how fast you can draw from a speed holster matters not when guns are already pointed at you. This often happened in the wild west during the heyday of open carry.

A distraction or opening can create an opportunity to engage from concealed carry. Diving for cover may or may not be an option, but drawing into a hail of bullets would not be a first choice. I do not know of any incident where a civilian has suffered due to open carry, but there have been many open carry disarms with poor outcomes in law enforcement and military records. I do know many cases that enabled the victim to get back into the fight because of the element of surprise through concealed carry.

If there comes a time when open carry would be an advantage, then the mere uplift or swing of a cover garment will get the job done. This is an important topic. There is no absolute right or wrong way to carry. We need to rethink the arguments, and then go ahead, in some situations, open carry. We might ask ourselves if there are any other motives or agendas that are influencing our attitude when we take such a strident view that starts with confrontational language.
 

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Concealed weapon carry: 28 yrs. & State licensed legal carry: 2 years

With assistance and understanding from moderator Bud White the following is a repost of what I'd originally posted in the thread toward the gentleman who was asked to leave his bank due to him carrying openly.
I'd made the mistake of not reading the entire thread before posting there and did not know that it had prior been asked that folks not post open vs. closed CCW type posts.
He suggested that I repost it here being more appropriate as based on the topicality.

Here is that prior post in it's entirety:

Janq said:
I agree with the bank manager in this case their policy is for your own protection, as well as that of their business and customers overall.

As open carry may be legal in the given state and on the off chance that the bank might be robbed on the day and at the hour that the OP happens to stop in, they would target him with an intent to nullify just as they would a facility guard. I know if I saw him open carrying and had intent to rob the place I'd walk up behind or beside him myself looking like an average everyday customer, at first blush, and would not give him the chance to react myself acting swiftly with purpose. I would win and if that meant collateral damage too as per his background then well so be it write that off to the cost of doing 'business'. I'd not run in and yell 'Hands in the air it's a stickup you hayseeds!' like a scene from Raising Arizona.
I might entertain turning on heel and leaving but it's unlikely I'd do so as for all the time and effort spent casing the place and planning the job prior. Not to mention I have aids, assistants and likely a complicitous employee on the payroll too all of whom are primed &ready for a payday and are ready to do so by any means necessary. A single onsite citizen open carrying would not disuade me from the task at hand. BTW I'd know he's a citizen because police detectives and plain clothes cops don't open carry outside of a crime scene or TV. I'd bet that stealth, surprise as well as shock & awe would work to my advantage and I would as the Wolf take action to remove the open carrying samaritan from the equation forth with.
In fact I might even see the open carrying samaritan as a personal challenge to be dealt with which would boost my mood if not ego already likely inflated by drugs and/or adrenalin.

Myself I'm no fan of open carry and am very much a believer in the element of surprise and being a 'sleeper'. One doesn't have to show their fangs to not look like a mark. To my mind open carry is akin to walking around with a kick me sign on ones back, it just says hey I'm here and this is my level of defense at the very least.
I visit my local banks including even my mother inlaws, who signed my CCW as a charchter witness, where she works and not once have I been denied service or looked at twice. No one knows if or what tools I might be carrying concealed upon my person if any be I making a deposit or withdrawal, as a wolf or wolfhound.
To stay on topic for this thread I literally grewup carrying weapons concealed for the sole purpose of defense nd have been doing so 28 yrs. now. My mother without my asking got me my first pocket knife when I was 8 and had me carry it in my pocket while walking to school and around my neighborhood as she was concerned about my safety and into my college years she'd buy me a knife if ever I asked her for one toward use for defense. I grewup in very poor areas of DC and MD (P.G. County) to which crime was a daily occuring norm of life. My mother herself grew up poor in MS defending herself from five older brothers as well as neighbors and pretty much everyone else. She's got some wild tales and is the person who taught me how to fight, defend myself and survive by what ever means necessary even it be taking off my shoe. I'm not kidding either as that works.
Through the years for the most part I carried various weapons knives, small bats, and later firearms too illegally. I'm from Wash., D.C. and MD where it's not at all legal to even posses a firearm (DC) and in MD to get an LTC means jumping through more hoops than a circus poodle, and you have to be connected to boot.
As of the past 2 years I decided to go ahead and apply for an LTC to carry legally. I now hold a resident CHP from VA as well as a resident LTC-A from MA which itself was a renewal against a sporting & hunting MA LTC I'd had 12 years ago and let expire upon then moving out of state.
Today as I continue to carry something on me most of the time (roughly 80+ % of the time) as advised by mom be it a knife or sidearm (she was strongy anti-gun even as her brothers & father were hunters) as well as less conventional items like my shoes, or using my belt as a whip/impact device (metal buckle) and the basic idea that _everything_ is a weapon as long as you think to take advantage of it.
As for open carry I've learned that surprise and stealth works wonders and it has done well for me thus far in all manner of adventures. If I were a police or military then yes I'd carry openly as it would be easier to carry as such and quicker to deploy. As a civilian it's actually defensive for me to not stand out than to open carry even as it's legal in VA albeit generally frowned upon.

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I think it's evident that to open/conceal carry is dependent on the state you live...according to the posts here, TX and FL you are prohibited from OC; whereas VA and AZ it is not a problem (in fact, required to OC in VA restaurants that serve alcohol).

IMHO, it comes down to training and preference--it's not that difficult to train and practice using a cover garment (jacket, button-down shirt, t-shirt). It is up to the individual shooter to decide whether he/she wants OC or CC (based on individual circumstances).

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As for me the only reasons I would open carry

Is when I'm hiking, or out hunting, or downtown Deadwood during Wild Bill Days in Deadwood decked out in all my glory. While there is a tactical advantage, there are to many people now days that whine about guns. I would rather avoid having to explain why I carry to someone who really doesn't care why but is trying to push their opinion on me.


Another thing about open carry there will always be those who say your looking for trouble, which is totally antithetical to what the majority of law abiding gun owners want.

I have a general rule I don't push my views on others, I don't give my opinon unless someone is stupid enough to ask or push their opinons on me. Open carry would violate this rule.

But that's just my plug nickle
 

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As each persons' state of residence dictates the method of carry available to them, this thread is more revelant to some than others.
I live in Louisiana where open carry is 100% legal, but rarely seen. I have open carried in the past while waiting for my CCW, but now that I have the ability to conceal, I feel uncomfortable OC'ing around town. I still OC at home and in my neighborhood, primarily because of the number of riff-raff seen around here. When I go to the gas station or supermarket, I don't want to stand in line with someone behind me having access to my weapon, even with a retention strap.

I have mixed emotions about the sheeple and their fear of guns. Sometimes I want to have them see it and be able to explain that guns aren't bad, some people are. Other times, I'd rather no one know that I'm carring. I have had experiences of sheeple ask "why do you think you need to have a gun?", but typically I reply with something like "because I can" or " because you don't" or something like that.

Each person should follow the laws in their area and if OC is legal, try it and see if you feel more or less comfortable doing so. Personally, I think most would rather not in most cases, but when appropriate, want to have the choice.

Just my .02
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