My question is... can a law enforcement officer legally disarm you if you are open carrying & that's what you are being stopped for??
This is my understanding:
US v. Deberry--legal firearms cannot be used as the only reason for stopping a person.
Delaware v. Prouse--you cannot be detained without suspicion of criminal activity.
Terry v. Ohio----leo's cannot legally seize a weapon without reasonable suspicion.
I don't believe this is the case in Kansas, as we have free range of open and concealed carry & the firearms can be loaded.
Now I guess back to my question: If a cop wants to detain you for open carrying... are they lawfully allowed to disarm you if you refuse any seizure of personal property?
I deleted some wording .... that is your answer ; in Kansas ..... they should NOT be stopping you purely because you have a weapon on, and all LEO's I know of have been told that in their training, etc...... not unless you are suspected of committing a crime or about to commit a crime.
However, how do YOU know they don't ? I wouldn't argue the point with them, other than to clarify why I was being stopped , etc. If he wants my gun, I'm not going to debate it with them .... as there is more than likely a LOT more going on then I 'm aware of at that point. IF they admit that they are stopping you ONLY because you are open carrying .... then you have some cause for them to recheck with their Supervision, and ask for a Supervisor ... who will help educate them.
I do NOT think most LEO's in Kansas are going to stop you just because you are carrying ..... maybe Emporia, Salina, Lawrence, Ks City and Ottawa..... Maybe. As it seems those Police Chiefs are rather anti-open carry. However, in one of those up by Ottawa, they stopped a 19 yr old female purely because she was open carrying and got into a debate with her that she could NOT be open carry and it was NOT legal ..... the Police Dept got an education, a lawsuit on them, and got to write a check ... which I'm sure paid for the young girls college. And her attorney retrieved her gun from the police. She was cooperative with them when they wanted her gun, and just kept informing them that she felt she was "legal" and would pursue it. It was legal for her to be carrying it.
Examples ..... you may fit the description of someone who just committed a crime, and they may not tell you that ................
1. One of my best friends and his brother were at a fast food place eating, and suddenly they realized there were police officers who had came up behind each of them, had guns to their heads and told them NOT to move. They were arrested , taken to the police station , and questioned over and over and over for HOURS about where they were at this time, that time, etc.
After hours of this, someone walked into the room (each in different rooms) and told ... "it's not them, we have the guys, we're letting them go".
As they started to leave and were being walked down the hallway out ...... in came the officers "with the guys" , and they even said ..... they fit their descriptions, size, etc. perfectly. They also drove exactly the same model, year and color of car as them... they were told. The two real criminals, had raped and killed a woman in a park that day. It was a very brutal and ugly killing. ...
The entire time they were being questioned, they never knew any of that and were never told any of that.
2.) When I go out to go to work, I notice my license tag on my car is gone .... and has been stolen. I called police and reported it. Then , I'm driving to work in that car (they told me to go ahead) into a different larger city for work and hear on the public radio station ..... they are looking for a Black Camaro with a stolen license tag, and give a description of the man they are looking for. I fit the description perfectly, driving a Black Camaro .... and ooops ... no tag at all. I was glad I got to work. Now, what IF ..... some officer pulled me over thinking I might be THAT GUY.
He would have been totally justified to stop me, check me out and disarm me ..... and I am sure he never would have told me why... until it was all said and done.
So, I'm just saying ... he may suspect of you as being someone they are looking for , and you may have NO clue what-so-ever at that point. Not the time and place to argue with the Officer about it , if they want to disarm you ... best to cooperate and work it all out later. Common sense rules, and the law protects you, but don't make too many assumptions either.
You probably wouldn't be the last guy shot and it be said .... I suspected him as being the man who just robbed the bank, he fit the description, he was also was resistive and appeared to be going for his gun when I shot him.
98% of Kansas has been legal to open carry forever ... it was only some cities that made it illegal. Constitutional Carry just told the cities for once and all two things 1) not only did someone NOT need a license to conceal carry , but 2) Cities could no longer make open carry illegal in their cities.
Topeka made open carry long before Constitutional carry was passed.