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Open carrying in Detroit? I would call that a gun donation. There isn't enough retention in any holster to open carry in Detroit. Actually when I think about it if the guy had a retention holster they might have just killed him first. Maybe that crappy holster saved his life?
All the open carriers say the gun scares the BG's away.
 

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This isnt about a retention holster but they do "help". This is about a thug deciding that he wanted his gun. The end result would likely have been the same ( retention holster or not). If a person wants to mitigate this sort of thing.. dont make yourself a target. The idea that violent predatory thugs are scared of any yahoo carrying a gun is simply false. Thugs commonly assess the person and rank them based on how formidable and alert they seem. A gun on the hip ( in and of itself) does little to bolster that ranking. Its not about the gun, the gun does not make everyone a hard target. This sort of crime is often about risk vs gain vs effort vs consequences. If you are being eyed by a thug, its usually beneficial that they perceive risk and effort to easily outweigh the gain. Even then, a criminal may take the risk in spite of all the other factors. No matter how you look at it, the lone citizen is at a substantial disadvantage in a busy public space that they do not control. If a person is going to OC, I would hope that they are on their [A] game.
A lot of wisdom in the above post.
Carrying a hammer in the loop on your coveralls does not necessarily mean you are a carpenter.
 

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All the open carriers say the gun scares the BG's away.
There does seem to be a developing culture where this belief reins supreme.
I did think it was interesting and unusually thorough reporting that the article stated people are OC'ing more in Detroit because Wayne County has a year-long wait to get a CC permit. The article said they didn't know if the victim in this case was waiting on his, but it hints at an unintended consequences problem. I would not normally OC, but I would if that was the only way I could carry legally.
 

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I did think it was interesting and unusually thorough reporting that the article stated people are OC'ing more in Detroit because Wayne County has a year-long wait to get a CC permit. The article said they didn't know if the victim in this case was waiting on his, but it hints at an unintended consequences problem. I would not normally OC, but I would if that was the only way I could carry legally.
That was the only way to legally carry in Ohio until 2004. That said, it was seldom seen.
 

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That was the only way to legally carry in Ohio until 2004. That said, it was seldom seen.
Even though Ky had a constitutional provision to allow open carry since its inception, I very rarely ever saw any one do it.
But when I did, it was always the sloppiest, cheapest set up you could imagine.
 

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Anybody still feel like the idiot that had his gun stolen still deserves the right to carry a gun? Are you starting to see that a person should be deemed responsible enough to carry before they should be allowed to carry? If you can't defend the gun then you don't need a gun. You need to figure something else out.
If the guy who was carrying that gun was that stupid then maybe the thief did the world a favor.
 

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Anybody still feel like the idiot that had his gun stolen still deserves the right to carry a gun? Are you starting to see that a person should be deemed responsible enough to carry before they should be allowed to carry? If you can't defend the gun then you don't need a gun. You need to figure something else out.
If the guy who was carrying that gun was that stupid then maybe the thief did the world a favor.
Tough crowd.
 

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Anybody still feel like the idiot that had his gun stolen still deserves the right to carry a gun? Are you starting to see that a person should be deemed responsible enough to carry before they should be allowed to carry? If you can't defend the gun then you don't need a gun. You need to figure something else out.
If the guy who was carrying that gun was that stupid then maybe the thief did the world a favor.
Your sentiment hits particularly close to me as a person whose best friend (an on-duty cop) was beaten, disarmed and murdered with his own Glock. Suffice to say, I do not share your apparent contempt for victims of violent crime.
 

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Anybody still feel like the idiot that had his gun stolen still deserves the right to carry a gun? Are you starting to see that a person should be deemed responsible enough to carry before they should be allowed to carry? If you can't defend the gun then you don't need a gun. You need to figure something else out.
If the guy who was carrying that gun was that stupid then maybe the thief did the world a favor.
Are you seriously saying that if you are not capable of defending your gun you should not be allowed to carry?
What about older folks who can't fight off a younger, stronger assailant?
Or a small woman not capable of fighting off a big guy?
Is your second amendment rights tied to how well you can fight?
Sure you should have good situational awareness and depending on the location consider concealment.
 
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