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I need a bit of advice for an upcoming project. I will be conducting an environmental survey from Tucson, AZ to the Mexican border for the next few weeks.

The area I'll be working in is known as "Cocaine Alley" and "OTM Alley" - meaning Other Than Mexican Alley - because of the large number of non-Mexican illegal aliens historically apprehended in the area. Sounds fun, huh?

In addition, there is a group known as "the Minutemen", a group of armed civilians who patrol the border trying to aprehend Illegals trying to cross the border. They take it pretty seriously too. The border patrol maintains a large presence as well.

There will be a crew of three, two males and a female, walking along the route of a proposed pipeline from Tucson to the Mexican border. I don't know which sounds more menacing - the illegals, the drug runners, or the minutemen.

My question is this: I am an Arizona Resident and have a CCW. In any case, to avoid any potential conflicts, would it be more prudent to wear my sidearm exposed or concealed? Would an exposed weapon be more likely to avoid or provoke trouble? We plan on minding our own business and hope to keep it that way. Thanks for your input.
 

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With all the problems lately(not sure if its same area) BP taking fire and all , I would carry a long gun if possible.
 

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Handgun concealed - and make it largest and best you can manage.

Long gun is also very wise if you think you can get away with it - lever '94 slung over back is pretty innocuous looking, compared to most. Pref in .44 mag :wink:
 

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Concealed!!!! in your choice of weapon! The bigger the better!!!!! like Chris said.

I would actually, in that situation and assuming that I could! would pack two of the same gun's, same caliber size, fully reliable weapons, loaded extra mag's, the whole nine. Long gun if you want and can.

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I think I would ,If at all possible carry a rifle cabable of long range accuracy. Say .223 AR or similar. Or see about an armed escort for your work group. From the info you gave this is a bad place to try to do honest work.
 

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Go to the Minutemen's website and tell them about your project. You might get an escort for free.

I don't know why they get such a bad rap.
 

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If you can avoid the project, do so. If not, then a high-power rifle in semi-auto might be the ticket backed up by the highest powered handgun you can handle well and conceal. If at all possible though, avoid the area altogether and then you won't have to worry about it.
 

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You can't readily hide a long gun. Should be in addition to previously mentioned duplicates of rock solid handguns.

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... There will be a crew of three, two males and a female, walking along the route of a proposed pipeline from Tucson to the Mexican border. I don't know which sounds more menacing - the illegals, the drug runners, or the minutemen. ...
How about your coworkers? Any shoot? If so, hopefully you all can be armed. If not, then at least give them the burden of carrying extra ammo and SD gear.

Anyway, it looks like a project to avoid unless you get armed escorts all the way.

Pls. remember, people w/ nothing to lose will have no constraints on their behavior and their capacity to do harm.
 

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Not really a bad idea tank soldier - it's always a good thing to let the locals know what you're up to.
 

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I would absolutely carry concealed

No sense giving up that tactical advantage.
Just make sure that you can get to it in a big hurry.
Select your clothing around that handgun. It will be your best friend out there.
Buy fresh Best Quality Ammo.

Make certain your firearm is clean & in top working condition.

I won't say "Don't Go."
Sometimes people just gotta go where they hafta go. Dangerous or not.

Stay fully alert.

Pay attention to your surroundings.

Take logical precautions.

Your decision to carry a rifle or not...is up to you.
 

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the minutemen aren't your enemy. Let em know your in the area, but even if you don't, they aren't going to shoot you or anything like that. At worst, they'll mistake you for an illegal, and call the BP. (Thats ALL they do, merely observe and report to the BP, like a good citzen should).
 

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swilcox,

Who are you doing this environmental survey for, that is, who are you working for?

You might want to discreetly inquire if your employer will allow firearms on this trek.

Either way, I would carry concealed.

Good luck on your project.
 

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If you can avoid the project, do so.
If at all possible though, avoid the area altogether and then you won't have to worry about it.
That would be a nice thought but he might be in a postion he cant refuse to go.

just like i cant refuse to go down and work it Detroit .

Some times ya got to do what ya got to do like it or not
 

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I don't know why they get such a bad rap.
They get a bad rap because their mere presence does nothing but illustrate that the federal government is doing a piss poor job when it comes to securing the border.

That is a bad area and it is getting increasingly violent. NO WAY in heck I would go down there without some serious weapons.

Gunfire is on the rise down there. Dont handicap yourself.Its better to have "too much"rather than "not enough" If you are gonna err, err on the side of caution.
 

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I would carry multiple guns concealed. I would carry a 30-06 or 308 "hunting rifle" slung. I think an evil black rifle might attract attention. A .223 caliber would be an option in a non AR style rifle as well. I would be sure my co-workers were armed and knew how to use their firearms and mine. Hopefully one of them will bring a shotgun as well. You may have to deal with some smaller but not so nice critters along the way.

I would be sure everyone had at least two reloads and everyone knew where all the reloads are going to be. I assume you will have binoculars, so be sure they are good ones. Have a member of the crew scan periodically, how often is up to you, just be sure they don't get tunnel vision working on a task.

I'm sure you'll have a good first aid kit and other stuff appropriate for that area at this time of year. Hopefully you guys won't be camping out there. Also if it is at all possible for the female to conceal the fact that she is female to the casual observer might be a good thing.

I would also contact the MinuteMen and Border Patrol Sector . I doubt the BP would escort you but the MinuteMen may provide some coverage for you. The BP may be a good source of info on frequent movements and possibly times to avoid being in the area. The MinuteMen may also be a good source on info and possibly what to bring with you and or how to react if you meet a group. They have been there on the ground so they should have very good info.

It might also be worth a try to see if your company can hire an escort for you. It may be futile due to cost, but it never hurts to ask.

A last thought is that possibly the Minute Men or the BP will let you know which radio frequecies they use so you can communicate directly with them should you need to. The BP likely won't want you on their transmission freqs, but may have some that they monitor for calls. Also get phone numbers for folks patrolling in the area in case your cell phones work.

Good luck and watch your flanks,
-Scott-
 

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I'll add my .02 to the good advice thus far presented: The landowners in the area are regularly taken under fire with full auto. Sometimes the guys holding those class III weapons have been members of the Mexican military, working for the drug cartels. There is at least one group of Mexican SpecOps doing this, too. They are smart, well trained and highly experienced. Having a gun or three is fine. Don't mistake it for being well armed, however.

I'd make contact with three groups: The Minutemen (GOOD GUYS), the Border Patrol and any landowners you happen to find yourselves nearby. Be a TURTLE, not a TIGER. Keep a low profile!

I'd say go concealed with a handgun in a serious caliber beginning with the number "4." If you choose a single stack, I'd carry four spare mags for a total of five. If you choose a double stack hi-cap you can cut that somewhat. Say three total. I also highly agree with carrying an innocuous looking long gun, like a lever action, but I'd go with the .30-30 instead of the 44 maggie. Carry a couple boxes of ammo say 40rds.

It would be a big help if somebody in your group had some military (infantry) experience to draw upon. But look, nobody here is suggesting you're going to get caught in a war situation. LOL We're all paranoid, anyway. It's just that military folks are used to thinking tactically and are able to assess a situation on the ground quickly and decide what to do. You can do that too.

Just remember, Be a turtle, not a tiger.

There's a good sci-fi book by Robert A. Heinlein called Tunnel in the Sky that you should take along. Got some good advice for situations like this.....it's fun reading, too.
 

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I would contact the minutemen and BP for reasons stated above. I hadn't thought about comms, however now that Scott brought it up I probably would have thought about it about 5 mins too late.

I wouldn't go. If I had too, I'd carry one of my 1911s and an AR15 openly, even if escorted (if allowed). If the other two are familiar with firearms, they would be armed as well, if not, they carry ammo anyway.

How will you be traveling? On foot or on wheels?
 

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tanksoldier said:
Go to the Minutemen's website and tell them about your project. You might get an escort for free.

I don't know why they get such a bad rap.
I'd say to go with what Tank has mentioned...........might save you a LOT of trouble, and make good neighbors for you as well. :wave:
 
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