P99c and other "light" trigger guns.......

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Fritz609

Discussion Starter · Aug 7, 2016

Not sure if it's just me being used to DAO guns but, as smooth and accurate as my p99c is, I still find myself having to slow down when shooting it at the range. After the first DA (I use the decocker for the first shot of every mag because that's how I carry) pull, I have a hard time controlling that uber light trigger when trying to unload on the target. I don't have this issue with my wife's glock 19 or my g43(I guess due to being harder to pull the trigger). Anyone else have this issue with their p99 or p99c AS? I know it's a training issue but man is the trigger light. I also didn't have this issue with a SAO p938 I rented. I've only got a couple hundred rounds through it so far. I can only imagine shooting these hair trigger 1911s you all talk about(I've never shot a 1911 before:embarassed

. I'm somehow not seeing light smooth trigger as a good thing.

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ghost tracker

· #2 · Aug 7, 2016

"...not seeing a light, smooth trigger as a good thing" ?!?

Fritz, nothing personal, but I'm not sure there's anything that I can help you with. :biggrin2:
You bought a high-quality handgun for a reason. If it's uncomfortable (for you) then I might suggest a DAO revolver or something along the lines of a Kahr T9. Is it the take-up or the pull-weight that's problematic? :blink:

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Fritz609

Discussion Starter · #3 · Aug 8, 2016

You know, it may just be my fingers. Lol. I was just wondering if anyone had problems getting used to such a trigger. The part that kills me is transitioning from the DA pull to the SA pull. Seems I'm a little slow with releasing my finger after that first **** then trying to go into the next shot which is SA. This is my first DA/SA. The first shot always throws me off.

G224EVER

· #4 · Aug 8, 2016

May not be a good defensive gun for you.

Litespeed

· #5 · Aug 8, 2016

Fritz609 said:
You know, it may just be my fingers. Lol. I was just wondering if anyone had problems getting used to such a trigger. The part that kills me is transitioning from the DA pull to the SA pull. Seems I'm a little slow with releasing my finger after that first **** then trying to go into the next shot which is SA. This is my first DA/SA. The first shot always throws me off.

I have a P99c and it's one of my carry guns. I have no problems with the issue you describe but, I've owned double action revolvers for years. Also DA/SA autos such as Berettas and Sigs. So I guess I'm used to the transition from double action to single action.

Since this is your first experience with a DA/SA gun hopefully a little more practice, both dry firing and live firing will help. If not then this particular gun, or any DA/SA, may not be the best one for you. Which would be a shame since many people consider this to be one of the most ideal carry guns available. A little safer than a traditional striker fired handgun since it has the longer double action first pull, but a better follow up trigger pull than many strikers like the Glocks. However, if it doesn't work well for you, trade or sell it without remorse. It's just a tool and maybe not the best tool for you.

Good luck with your P99c.

hardluk1

· #6 · Aug 8, 2016

We all have certain preferences for carry , no doubt about it . You may find that once you get to a point you consider yours reliable and shoot only the p99as trigger for a few hundred rounds your ether comfortable with it and will carry it or you want another pistol and sell or trade . Its your choice . I consider the p99 fine for carry , just different . I can take up the slack in the walthers SA mode while waiting for the sights to settle on the target but I'm not a fan of walther grip in general and went with a different double stack for carry .

Nmuskier

· #7 · Aug 8, 2016

Send it to me for extensive safety and field testing. I'll pay shipping and cover the ammo.
(can you send a holster too? :embarassed: )

ghost tracker

· #8 · Aug 8, 2016

So, it's the DA/SA transition that's your concern? Best trade that 99c for a striker-fired pistol that gives you the exact same trigger-stroke every shot. Seems my memory suggests that Walther made several different (trigger) variants of the full size 99. Perhaps something as simple as an internal component swap could make your 99c a DAO? Maybe visit a Walther Forum and find out? But one piece of (experienced) advice - Don't (DO NOT) carry a defensive handgun in which you're not absoLUTELY comfortable & confident. IMHO, that's a risk you must NOT take!

Litespeed

· #9 · Aug 8, 2016

OP, here is a link to a video on learning the double action/single action trigger. It might help or might not, but it doesn't hurt to take a look. Lucky Gunner has several videos that are pretty good.

http://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/learning-double-action-trigger/

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ca survivor

· #10 · Aug 9, 2016

I can't understand the reasoning of the design in the P99 trigger system, so I can't help

Fritz609

Discussion Starter · #11 · Aug 13, 2016

Thanks for the advice guys. I haven't carried it outside of my house yet. Sticking to my other options for now. Just bought 1,000 rounds last week so I'll have more than enough. Rounds to practice with.

smolck

· #12 · Aug 16, 2016

Fritz609 said:
You know, it may just be my fingers. Lol. I was just wondering if anyone had problems getting used to such a trigger. The part that kills me is transitioning from the DA pull to the SA pull. Seems I'm a little slow with releasing my finger after that first **** then trying to go into the next shot which is SA. This is my first DA/SA. The first shot always throws me off.

This is why I sold my CZ. Also, you mentioned Glocks, I find that Glocks are one of the easiest pistols to really ride the reset and keep fast but controlled shots headed downrange. Maybe more trigger time is all you need?

ArtsNCrash

· #13 · Aug 16, 2016

Had a similar issue when I was breaking in a CZ clone. At about 400 hundred rounds, the the reset seamed to change causing inadvertent double taps occasionally. Freaked me out and had me worried.

Next trip to the range, I slowed down and concentrated on follow-through with a slow return through the reset. I haven't had a problem since.

Honestly, to this day I'm not sure whether it was me getting use to the change or just a brief period during the break-in period. I'm over 1000 rounds down range with it now and the trigger is very sweet. It's not as good as my 1911. The break is just like Cooper says, glass. But it's close. Second favorite to shoot and sits on the night stand. First shot DA is nice when you are still rubbing sleep from your brain.

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popo22

· #14 · Aug 19, 2016

"Double/Single" triggers do take a bit more practice due to the different trigger pulls (for me) but they also give you more options. I personally like the options available with the P99 AS trigger system but I do understand why some people seem to be intimidated by it. I would say you just need to put some more rounds down range and get a feel for the "re-set" of that trigger system. It's a really nice trigger once you get comfortable with it. Good luck.

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Eric357

· #15 · Aug 27, 2016

If you decide you don't like the P99 you may want to look at the PPQ. It has a consistent da trigger. I haven't had a chance to shoot the P99 but want to. I do like da/sa guns. They might a little time to get use to that transition but its not as difficult as some folks make it sound. A little practice goes a long way. My suggestion is simply for now slow yourself down a bit. Don't get caught up in trying to unload as fast as you can. But that's just my two cents so take it with a grain of salt.

Darkstar888

· #16 · Oct 13, 2016

Your issue may have more to do with the super short reset of the trigger as opposed to the weight. On the P99 you barely have to let it forward after firing before you can fire again. Many really appreciate this feature. In defensive situations I wouldn't worry as the initial double action pull is heavy enough to avoid accidental discharge.

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clarkston_cz

· #17 · Oct 13, 2016

I think I read where a guy had the same issue with his PPQ 45 having too light a trigger for him.

There are plenty of other good options on the market that have good to lousy trigger pulls.

When, not IF I buy a PPQ 45 it will be too heavy for me to carry so it will be for the indoor
range or HD.

I'm torn between a steel or stainless steel framed Commander type 1911 or the PPQ 45
as my next gun.

HAve to buy a new computer fist, then a .45 after my XD-S and Beretta 1201 PF sell.
Sam for my SP-101 and Ruger AR-15.

I'll be busy for a while, so the .45 will be my first 2017 gun purchase

In any event, I think the PPQ in both 9mm and .45 are worth me searching for
one locally to handle (been tough so far) and hopefully adding them to my
small collection.

Even though the P99c isa German police gun for some states, the paddle release and me don't get
along well. I can see my cousins in Rees, NRW dumping mags that way, but I'll stick with the
Luger/ Browning 'button'.

Best of luck with your learning curve with your Walther, or trading it.

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Darkstar888

· #18 · Oct 13, 2016

I love the paddle release. Once I realized your not supposed to use your thumb and started using my middle finger or trigger finger I fell in love with the speed and lack of need to shift my grip.

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glockcoma

· #19 · Oct 20, 2016

Darkstar888 said:
Your issue may have more to do with the super short reset of the trigger as opposed to the weight. On the P99 you barely have to let it forward after firing before you can fire again. Many really appreciate this feature. In defensive situations I wouldn't worry as the initial double action pull is heavy enough to avoid accidental discharge.

As someone who owned the P99 since their intro, strayed from it to the Glock, and is now back to the P99as, I agree with Darkstar888 on the short reset. You'll have to learn it;
it is not Glock, nor any other. The transition from DA to the AS trigger is quick, and as DS suggested, very short.
Why not, after breaking the DA shot, pause for one or two seconds to allow your muscle memory to acclimate to the trigger reset, before squeezing off the second shot...instead, allow your 3rd and 4th shots to become your fast follow ups for your training. When training, slow becomes fast, and your muscle memory will be attuned to the firearm when you press thru the long steady DA break.

OP:
Have you tried a different backstrap? That may (or may not) allow you to gain a better control of the trigger. I run my 99AS with the small backstrap, as I want to get my medium mitts around that thing with a grip that allows total control of all functions.
In the case of the abbreviated grip on your P99c, try swapping out the back strap, and dry firing a bit to see if it fits you better.

Darkstar888 said:
I love the paddle release. Once I realized your not supposed to use your thumb and started using my middle finger or trigger finger I fell in love with the speed and lack of need to shift my grip.

Shhhhh!
This is a best kept secret, known to Walther and HK shooters.
Way less re positioning of the shooting and support hands, and, it becomes instinctual, and very fast!
Beware of the baseplates on the Walther mags tho, and have many on hand, as in colder climates, I have found that if they hit the ground just right, they break.
They might contact the earth 999 times, and on the 1000th, crack.
Not all the mags, and may just have been the polymer technology of the early 2000's, and the P99 40 I own. It happened more with the 40 mags from the Gen 1 gun.

Since ditching my Glock 17 and carrying the Walther 99 since late July, I've not had issue 1 with any of the mags for the P99as. They are all factory.

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