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My friends: I post this on the tactics & training page because I am a curious man, an old graying ex-cop who tries to draw lessons from the life around him.
Here's the article:
http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/2006/07/01/news/14946556.htm
In case the link won't work (I don't know as much about computers as I should) here's the nutshell:
A 17 year old committed armed robbery while wearing soft body armor given him by a juvenile parole officer in Akron. After the robbery he shot a customer in the leg.
It appears the goblins that prey upon society's sheep are adopting the useful adjuncts that we, the sheepdogs, have been using to good effect.
I will leave it to wiser heads than I to suggest proper training/tactics to reflect this event.
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I believe the game of "no rules" is constantly changing.
Even lazy Predators and Scumbags will (out of necessity) will become more advanced as they will have no choice.
Especially the addicted ones.

I think the story that you have presented is not so much representative of that as it is of "TWISTED LOVE" always has been able make one of two people do strange things that they will probably regret doing forever.
 

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Probably thought she was doing him a favor....
Oh well, he wont have a vest in prison....
 

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I used to be a state of Florida Parole Officer back in the wild '80's....the era of Miami Vice and the cocaine cowboys. But we always figured that JUVENILE Officer's tended to come from the "social worker" wing of the criminal justice spectrum. They were always making excuses for the bad conduct of their "clients." Our motto was always Take no guff...cut no slack. Hook 'em, book 'em and don't look back! But Juvie officers were always "soft." Looks like that hasn't changed much.
 

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What the hell was she thinking?....... Not much I guess!
 

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Probably much the same as the X teacher that kept sleeping with and later married her 13 year old student. You can't win with some of these people.
 

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Um. Back to the topic of armored criminals, it appears that Minneapolis crooks are beginning to wear body armor during armed robberies or when they're hated more than usual by another gang.

Some armed citizens are beginning to wonder whether they need to change their COM (center of mass) shooting drills to Mozambique drills (which, I believe, is two shots COM and one to the head).

If this were the situation in your area, how would you as a legally armed citizen deal with it?
 

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Mozambique v. "Failure to Stop Drill"

Olivia Chillia said:
Some armed citizens are beginning to wonder whether they need to change their COM (center of mass) shooting drills to Mozambique drills (which, I believe, is two shots COM and one to the head). If this were the situation in your area, how would you as a legally armed citizen deal with it?
The "Mozambique" is two shots COM followed immediately, without pause by one to the head.

"Failure to stop" is two shots COM then pause and assess if BG is still a threat then go for the head shot! I like the latter because it allows for a carefully aimed head shot, making sure that the neural band can be severed. A snap shot that shatters the jaw won't get the job done, IMHO.
 

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Also, to add to the above post, dont forget about the pelvic line, the point where the vast majority of non-tactical armor stops, just above the pelvis.

A couple of aimed shots into the pelvic region can and will bounce bullets off the pelvic bone and up into the body cavity, especially with handgun and .223 ammo. And lets face it, few males would continue to fight after taking a shot squarely in the jewels...

An DPS SWAT instructor I had once said "If youre shooting, and it aint workin, shoot something else till it does."
 

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hsuCowboy98 said:
An DPS SWAT instructor I had once said "If youre shooting, and it aint workin, shoot something else till it does."
I like that statement, it follows the KISS process.
 

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Three shots...

It seems like I read that some teach three shots in an upward progression. One to the pelvis, one to COM, and one to the head. It takes advantage of muzzle rise, two of the three shots are to areas not covered by body armor, and the pelvis shot is a stopper. With all those arteries going through the pelvis and the bone damage in that area would cause, it would likely stop an advance.
 
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