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If you carry a spare mag [ for your semi ], do you know how much time between last round fired, drop that mag, reinsert a fresh mag and fire another round from the second mag?

1 second reload
2 second reload
3 second reload

Mine is timed at 1.5 or slightly less to recharge and fire from the second mag on threat. In 1.5 seconds, if I'd not run out of ammo and had to make a MANDATORY reload, I can fire another 7 rds on threat

Revo carriers, what's your reload time with a speed loader/speed strip? I'd have to guess it's longer than a semi reload.

Things to ponder when deciding between single stack and double stack semi's. :scratchchin:
 

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You lost me at "spare mag."
 

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My EDC magazine or speed strip is usually intended more for an administrative rather than tactical reload. Maybe 10 - 15 seconds?
 

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Don't know my reload times semi or revolver.

I have troubles working the timer because when I'm reloading I'm also doing a tactical backflip!:yup:
Hilarious, leave the timer running, it'll show your splits. Easy enough to determine where the mag change occurred on the timer. I would guess few practice mag changes let alone know their mag change times with their SD weapon of choice. It's something to consider when choosing a single stack over a double stack. "but I carry a spare mag" is a basically a feel good if it's taking you more than 1-1.5 seconds to make a mag change and get back in the game.

Who wants to have to make a mandatory reload when incoming is ongoing?

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My spare mag is inside my BUG. Experimentation showed that my drawing the BUG is just as fast as me doing a mag change but eliminates any chance of fumbling that mag change. Not to mention if the stoppage is because my primary malfed a mag change might not fix that anyway but the BUG will put me back in business.
 

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My spare mag is inside my BUG. Experimentation showed that my drawing the BUG is just as fast as me doing a mag change but eliminates any chance of fumbling that mag change. Not to mention if the stoppage is because my primary malfed a mag change might not fix that anyway but the BUG will put me back in business.
Yup, NY reload can be substantially faster than a reload, and reduces the chance of fumbling the change. Good mindset and forethought sir.
 

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Don't know the numbers, but it's as fast as I can. Efficiently. Either semi or revolver.

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As I've previously stated on this forum and else where my EDC is a S&W Shield 9X19mm with a (8-Rd) capacity. Also carried is a spare magazine also of (8-Rd) capacity. In my seventh decade I'm sure as hell not in the military or law enforcement thus I'm on the citizen/civilian side of the equation. I believe if recollection serves me correctly you dot not have a high opinion of Tom Givens thus we may have to agree to disagree.

Givens book titled Fighting Smarter A Practical Guide For Surviving Violent Confrontations, Chapter 13 Training Priorities eludes to FBI, Drug Enforcement Administration's agents and Givens students (65) that have been involved in gunfights. If you are inclined to believe Givens research the number of shots fired is a surprisingly low round count.

My spare magazine is primarily a back up to the primary magazine inserted in the pistol should the primary magazine malfunction. Since I practice avoidance (all most like a religion) of stupid people, places and things my whish is to never be in a gun fight. Be that is it may you can't predict the future!
 

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I've never timed my reloads , but after competing in a few matches I practiced my auto and revolver reloadings trying to shave off some time off the timers....
 

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Claude Werner's study of 482 actual, documented non-LEO gunfights found only three situations where defenders reloaded, or 0.6% of the time. And one of those was a guy trying to stop an escaped tiger with a .32 auto. He succeeded, BTW, after 13 shots. So I am much more worried about ensuring I don't have to shoot to begin with, but if I do, the effect of my shots before I might need a reload. To me, reload times are not something I would ever worry about.
 

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I've never timed my reloads , but after competing in a few matches I practiced my auto and revolver reloadings trying to shave off some time off the timers....
Same here, bobbling a reload during a stage sucks and will drop you a few notches.

I normally practice reloads during El Presidente's or V-Drills, when I run 5 plates, reload and run them backwards. We used to have to do "reloads with retention" on the clock in IDPA, which was a skill unto itself. Now with the rule changes everyone just doubles up on a target or 2 and goes to slide lock and dumps the empty. As a coincidence I just got finished running shotgun reloads...got a 3Gun match in the morning and shotgun reloads are positively my weakest skill.

Practicality...not so sure about, but I did have an instructor say that "If you're going to practice, we can assume at some point your gun will run dry. So you might as well reload it the right way." So since I'm practicing anyway, and the gun does run dry..........I also find that working reloads helps prevent that whole "squeezing the trigger with the slide locked back and a goofy look on your face" type moments.
 

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My thoughts on it are that there are more important things to concentrate one’s precious practice time on. A timer on the range is good for setting a standard, but is not indicative of what happens when the shtf.
 

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My house alarm has a exit timer...You wanna see fast?....Watch me run the stairs and throw on a pair of Muck boots
and get out of dodge.:smile:
 

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Good question, AzQkr. My wife and I were at the range this past week and although we don't usually use a shot timer, we did this week because I wanted to impress on her the difference in draw times from her purse compared to on body. We didn't do any specific reload time drills, but I think my times were on the order of 3 seconds, possibly longer. That's dropping the spent magazine, pulling my spare mag for my P229 from under my cover garment, inserting the fresh magazine, and making the gun go bang again. I'll have to specifically time that next time we get to the range.
 
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My magazine changes are abysmal!
The last reloads I timed were with the S&W 36 and were in the 3-6 second range if I remember right.
When you can't feel your fingers, fumbles are a normal occurrence.
While I practice mag changes with both the G19 and the LCP, I would not want to rely on that skill.
The LCP makes a convenient NY reload.

Reality sucks sometimes. Another reason for shifting to a double stack 9mm over the 5 shot snub.
 
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