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Another GFZ has drawn attention and now may bring further infringements to our 2A rights. This poll does not include carrying onto the plane, period. Yes would be saying you vote to leave policies as they are now, checked baggage only and following laws for each State. Checking in guns and ammo under the current system. Sorry for any confusion. NO, would be, guns should not be allowed inside or on airport property.
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Friday, January 6th, Santiago, 26, a military veteran, was able under TSA law to check a 9mm handgun with ammunition during his flight from Anchorage, Alaska to Ft. Lauderdale airport, a GFZ. Santiago took his luggage from the carousel into the restroom where he loaded and armed himself. He began to walk through the crowd shooting civilians. After he ran out of bullets, witnesses reportedly said Santiago threw his gun to the ground and laid face down while he waited for officers to take him into custody.

Florida is one of only six states that completely ban concealed carry at airports. Gun Owners of America Executive Director Erich Pratt said the Ft. Lauderdale Airport facility is policed by a department that receives over $60 billion a year and tougher gun laws would not help the situation because the “bad guys will just ignore the law.” The Ft. Lauderdale airport is a "Gun Free Zone.

Former director of the Detroit FBI, Andrew Arena agrees that this incident has “exploited a gap in the system.” “I believe we need to review the process for traveling with a weapon, the person needs a valid reason,” he told FOXBusiness.com. “I agree that there needs to be a different area in which guns are received. Picking up a bag with other luggage and baby car seats seems absurd! Possibly, those bags are retrieved at a security office, where officers can observe behavior. Also, if ammo is allowed in the bag, the person needs to be escorted outside before they can retrieve it.”
 

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You don't make laws and policy based on one event, or even a very few-at least you shouldn't. The system in effect now is working.
 

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I don't have any issue with guns and ammo in checked luggage but I would not want loaded guns in the cabin. An AD in the cabin could be disasterous for all the passengers! Just my .02 worth!
 

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I don't have any issue with guns and ammo in checked luggage but I would not want loaded guns in the cabin. An AD in the cabin could be disasterous for all the passengers! Just my .02 worth!
Absolutely agree. Too many yahoos that handle weapons carelessly.
 

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Actually, you could empty a" high capacity high caliber" assault rifle into the wall of an airplane and unless you hit something electrical or hydraulic , the plane could fly merrily on its' way. The planes are designed to fly even if the doors blow out. The problem is the yahoo could hurt himself or another traveler. Getting sucked out a window is pretty much a Hollywood invention.
 

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The problem with Santiago was that his only baggage was a checked handgun. This should have set off some red flags. Once he checked his gun case, a security check should have exposed that he had been investigated for mental issues, and terrorist threats. This is how we close the loopholes. Deal with the actual loophole not the thousands of normal people checking a gun in their baggage for legitimate purposes. DR
 

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I dont even understand the poll.... not very clear. Are you talking about traveling with them not in checked baggage in the cabin? And I do not understand option 4 at all.
 

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Former director of the Detroit FBI, Andrew Arena agrees that this incident has “exploited a gap in the system.” “I believe we need to review the process for traveling with a weapon, the person needs a valid reason,” he told FOXBusiness.com. “I agree that there needs to be a different area in which guns are received. Picking up a bag with other luggage and baby car seats seems absurd! Possibly, those bags are retrieved at a security office, where officers can observe behavior. Also, if ammo is allowed in the bag, the person needs to be escorted outside before they can retrieve it.”
So the dude is escorted to his car with the gun, then he picks it up and goes right back into the airport and shoots just as many people. Idiots. This is no different than a school shooting.

The current system works. End of discussion.
 

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I voted yes but folks who bring their carry gun onto a plane will be issued a gold sash for ID purposes and will be limited to only one cocktail. :image035:

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Actually, you could empty a" high capacity high caliber" assault rifle into the wall of an airplane and unless you hit something electrical or hydraulic , the plane could fly merrily on its' way. The planes are designed to fly even if the doors blow out. The problem is the yahoo could hurt himself or another traveler. Getting sucked out a window is pretty much a Hollywood invention.
But probably not. A single bullet penetrating the aluminum skin of a plane would not do much damage. On the other hand if a bullet was to hit a window , blow it out and shatter it at say 30,000 feet, it could cause a very big problem. At that altitude, the air is very thin. A hole even the size of a window could not only suck a person sitting in the seat next to it out but the pressure drop would be significant enough that all passengers would become incoherent in about a minute without an oxygen mask.

Many large planes also have fuel tanks in the fuselage as well as wings. if a bullet were to hit a fuselage tank, that could also cause an explosion.

A plane might be able to fly with a door blown off or even with half the roof ripped off, such as what happened with a Hawaiian Airline flight several years ago, but people did get sucked out and some were killed.

The damage would depend on that you hit and how important it is. It would not be recommended to fire a single shot on a plane flying at 400-600 mph at 30,000 plus feet. Unloading a high capacity, high caliber "assault" rifle could easily be disastrous and in general, not a good idea.
 

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I dont even understand the poll.... not very clear. Are you talking about traveling with them not in checked baggage in the cabin? And I do not understand option 4 at all.
This poll does not include carrying onto the plane. Yes would be saying you vote o leave policies as they are now, checked baggage only and following laws for each State. Checking in guns and ammo under the current system. Sorry for any confusion. NO, would be guns should not be allowed inside or on airport property.
 
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The problem with Santiago was that his only baggage was a checked handgun. This should have set off some red flags. Once he checked his gun case, a security check should have exposed that he had been investigated for mental issues, and terrorist threats.
I don't agree. I checked a bag perhaps one out of the last five times I've flown. If I'd been bringing a firearm, then the firearm would have been the only thing I'd checked the other four times. I don't think that's enough to trigger a background check.
 

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I voted yes because no amount of laws will prevent a nutcase from ignoring them and committing murder as has been demonstrated numerous times.
 

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You don't make laws and policy based on one event, or even a very few-at least you shouldn't. The system in effect now is working.
1 underwear bomber, and everyone gets their junk fondled or x-rayed/scanned, including children.
1 shoe bomber, and everyone gets to take their shoes off, even if they are tiny sandals.

NEVER underestimate the idiocy of our government.
 

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I don't agree. I checked a bag perhaps one out of the last five times I've flown. If I'd been bringing a firearm, then the firearm would have been the only thing I'd checked the other four times. I don't think that's enough to trigger a background check.
A background check doesn't mean you would be detained or banned from the flight. It just means a closer look. looking at this guys background it would have been obvious that he should not have had a gun. And traveling from AK to FL without anything but a gun and ammo should trigger a second look. Lets say I was flying into New Mexico for a shooting match, and flying back that night. I would have a perfectly good reason to be carrying guns and ammo only. If it triggered a second look they would not find that I had been investigated by the FBI and local LEO's.[ like this guy was.] If the second look had security alerted that I was only carrying a gun and ammo and they watched from a distance as I left the airport so be it.
We have to get away from punishing everyone for the bad deeds of a few and move to ID the bad actors and focus on them. DR
 
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